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dnj12345
07-04-2011, 04:29 AM
so what is with the rising gas price and all the job cuts recently any ideas

MrWorker
07-07-2011, 02:39 PM
Personnally I blame the immagrants, lefists and the cowardly weak government.

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 03:46 PM
Now this is a thread worth my time!!:D lol

Your question is the perfect example of "Most Americans have no idea how important oil prices are to the overall health of the U.S. economy".But it's no harm I will share my knowledge with you. Whenever oil prices have pressed toward record levels in recent decades, it has always resulted in an economic downturn. A high oil price does not just mean that consumers will have to pay a little more at the pump. The truth is that oil is the very lifeblood of our economic system. We have built our entire country around the concept that we can transport lots of stuff very long distances for a very, very cheap price. When that paradigm beings to change, it fundamentally alters the dynamics of the U.S. economy.A high oil price will mean an even faster economic decline for America.The cost of oil factors into everything. A high oil price means that transportation of products and services costs more, travel costs more and energy costs more. It means that consumers will have less disposable income. When the price of oil goes up it benefits the big oil producers and a few others, but for everyone else it is very painful. But perhaps even more importantly, because the U.S. has to import such massive quantities of oil, whenever the price of oil goes up it means that we are becoming poorer as a nation because even more of our money flows out of the country and into the hands of the oil barons.

Sadly, the truth is that the United States has absolutely huge untapped reserves of oil that the "powers that be" will not let us touch.It turns out that certain interests are making insanely huge profits by keeping America addicted to foreign oil. The ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful people that are involved in doing this to us are destroying our nation economically just so that they can profit. They are our coperate coperate tycoons to our middle aged stockbroking despots with more than just an 150 iQ in complex economics. But this is Amercia, where the "American dream" is exemplified by "sky is the limits and no one can stop you" idealistic type thinking.
Anyways back on topic

This money that we spend dosnt entirely comeback to us in full as a net profit.
We actually loose money. One of the ways it comes back to us is, what we've all been hearing, threw mind bobbling loans most in which we cannot payback on a sort-moderate term basis. So we collect our debt , ask congres to raise our debt ceiling(stimulus packages), and and try and fuel or recover lost capital.

You must understand this,
" the borrower is always servent to the lender until the debt is paid in full". This is another basic Econ. Theory.

Oil tests and manipulates every aspect of our economic decisions threw macro and microeconomics. Thus nothing can escape the effects, positive or negative, of oil


Okay I feel like I'm rambling and haven't gotten to how it affects " employment decisions"
So someone can finish it.LOL
I haven't had breakfast yet :P

ShorTerMemory
07-07-2011, 04:17 PM
were you been at...gas prices up and job cuts been the regular for 3 yrs now

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm waiting for blackcat to get in on this. :)

Storm
07-07-2011, 05:17 PM
Very nice response post Tony, very informative.

Nice post ShorTerMemory:)

Thank you

BlackCat
07-07-2011, 05:37 PM
Amazingly I don't have anything to say, other than, as has already been mentioned it's not a recent thing.


Oh and I had 5 grand riding on MrWorker blaming either the government or leftists/communists. Since that's all he ever does. So thanks for that.

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 05:45 PM
Amazingly I don't have anything to say, other than, as has already been mentioned it's not a recent thing.


Oh and I had 5 grand riding on MrWorker blaming either the government or leftists/communists. Since that's all he ever does. So thanks for that.

:(
I like when you provide your wisdom :).

And lol let's not invest off "speculations" hahah

But I'm sure mrworker has his reasons why he blames it on the leftists and immigration :)

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Very nice response post Tony, very informative.

Nice post ShorTerMemory:)

Thank you

Thanks a lot Storm!!:)

dnj12345
07-07-2011, 05:49 PM
i know it is not a recent thing but lately gas prices over here in washington made it to 4 dollars a gallon

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 06:33 PM
i know it is not a recent thing but lately gas prices over here in washington made it to 4 dollars a gallon


Well you expirencing "effects on a microeconomical level".
Microeconomics is a branch of economics that focuses on the behavior of small economic units such as consumers, like you and I, or our households.microeconomic changes are totally affect by macroeconomic decisions. Macroeconomics is prertty much focusing on the whole economy .When a larger change has occured, we feel the effects, positive or negative, on a smaller and individual level.These larger changes that occur happen on a macroeconomical level.

I'll give you a relevant example:
Todays $/barrel cost about 100/barrel or so.
Larger oil cooperations determine their prices and it's what lesser oil and gass coperations(who ship the oil in a sense) have to pay even if it's an obserd price. They buy it because they have to meet the demands of the market and make a net gain. But anyways In return,
these lesser oil companies have to sell oil at a "reasonable gain price " to gass stations e.c.t.
So now the gass stations , for exams in washington, have to sell their gas to the consumer at a "reasonable gain price" for them. And that price could be 4.00/gal.

There's state taxes that apply as well but that's how macroeconomics works and affects mircoeconomics.

Now also you have to consider state taxes but that is a political aspect and I don't like politcis that much :P

dnj12345
07-07-2011, 06:39 PM
i know but if we would stop going to other countrys that have oil and started getting oil from britain or something mabye we would not have this problem but idk im for supporting our troops in whatever they do as long as they dont attack me

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 07:04 PM
i know but if we would stop going to other countrys that have oil and started getting oil from britain or something mabye we would not have this problem but idk im for supporting our troops in whatever they do as long as they dont attack me


Well you have to understand this:

The middle east alone vastly exports more crude oil than any other region. This region is the exporting region.
Major Importing regions include north America,Europe and Asia.
So asking Britain(a major importing country), for oil, would be il logical on both countries agendas for the following reason:
- large importer countries usually don't ask other larger importing countries for oil that are already oil strained.

-Britian isn't an major oil exporting country and for north America to ask Britain to meet "their demands for oil" isn't even a logical option as it's fundimentallu improbable.


The middle east has it's dark lustful sticky black gold in every and all major importing countries and region!


And like I said, North America's mission in the middle east is a political debate
So I'm not commenting on that :)

Langer
07-07-2011, 07:34 PM
try 550 /gal in canada. 1.20-1.45 / liter

dnj12345
07-07-2011, 07:37 PM
well im not moving to canada if it is 5.50 for gas

BlackCat
07-07-2011, 07:40 PM
Langer? That like the Irish kind?

Isn't there supposed to be oil in south america.....venezuala's coming to mind?

dnj12345
07-07-2011, 07:42 PM
yeah i think there is oil in venezuala idk mabye in brazil

iTasteLikeCandy
07-07-2011, 07:44 PM
yea there is oil in Venezuela. Its called Citgo

dnj12345
07-07-2011, 07:45 PM
i never thought that i would make a thread that would get this many replys

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 08:17 PM
@Blackcat,
Yes there is oil in Venezuela

But they have a pact with all of the oil exporting south American countries as well as with some middle eastern countries. They've done so to manipulate their prices to prevent net loss with "competition's prices" and primarily target and force North Amercia to buy their oil at their price.
I'm not to sure what the alliance is called off the top of my head, but the alliance is quite effective.
But the U.S. Created an money saving plan.

The U.S receives oil from 3 major exporters:
-MiddlE eastern countries
-Canada
-Mexico


Cananda & mexico are two out of the three major oil suppliers(exporters contries) for the U.S. .
Their oil exports are quite important to the united states.
They(canada &Mexico) offset U.S. Imports from these neighbors in the "region calculating"(which is net import are gross import minus gross export).
Why this is important ?
By making Canada and Mexico the U.S. 2/3 major exporting oil assets, they've managed to refrain from purchasing oil from south American countries and less purchases from middle eastern countries if compared to full dependence,unfortunately like Greece, on middle eastern oil.Thus keeping North Americas "import dependency,on forgein regions, down to" not much " and saving money.

BlackCat
07-07-2011, 08:18 PM
Citgo.......you mean the multi billion dollar oil company? *facepalm*

In my defence I'd not heard of it til just now.

MrWorker
07-07-2011, 08:20 PM
well We could blame the jews again lol. But i think that ones been used too many times.

But its how it is. Iam from a industrial working class area. There should be mills and mines open near me but because the coward government closed them theys no work about anymore. And the jobs that are left where given to the immagrants because they work for next to nothing.

Look at it from our point of view for once. Theys no jobs in our own country.

MrWorker
07-07-2011, 08:37 PM
Tony what we owt todo is stop this nonsense price tag. We should get a couple of nuclear bombs together and nuke the shit of them then we should get our army to launch a massive invasion of the middle east. Its as simple as that then we bleed them dry.

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 08:46 PM
well We could blame the jews again lol. But i think that ones been used too many times.

But its how it is. Iam from a industrial working class area. There should be mills and mines open near me but because the coward government closed them theys no work about anymore. And the jobs that are left where given to the immagrants because they work for next to nothing.

Look at it from our point of view for once. Theys no jobs in our own country.


Omg I can't even understand why your going to blame it on a race my friend.
Decisions are made on a cooperate level which in a lot of cases are made up of a multitude of races.
My point is, cooperate drones could care less what race you are.
"if they have investments in it, they are going to do what they wish with it"
Even selling interests just a couple thousand dollars for them not so much nattering that the withdrawal of shares could put thousands of jobs on the chopping block.

It's all about GAIN AND LOSE

But if you want me to give you a non business and medical reason why they might of shut down the mines and mill.
Mines cause various type of lung cancer and mills do the same but on an less known extent.
No one wants cancer. :)

But getting cancer from a public job site brings up detrimental law suits that no CEO nor business, as a whole, wants labeled on them. :)


So let's not be racist mate:)
Let's be logical

MrWorker
07-07-2011, 08:52 PM
I was joking about the jews everyone always blames the jews lol it was just sarcsm mate :).

Cancer is 1 in 3 anyway we are all certain more or less to get cancer in our live tme before we die anyway. I know loads of people thats died of it even some in my family so..

I think if your going to get something you get it anyway regardless. My grandad after he had finished the army after ww2 went to work in a aspestoss mill ! for decades and he didnt die untill he was 91 years old. So i dont think. Cancer as anything to do with it really

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 08:54 PM
Tony what we owt todo is stop this nonsense price tag. We should get a couple of nuclear bombs together and nuke the shit of them then we should get our army to launch a massive invasion of the middle east. Its as simple as that then we bleed them dry.


That's not very nice man. Doing that wouldnt it solve even the slightest economical problem but it would sure do more unfathomable damage on everyone's economic focuses, cause undesired heart ache on majority of the people in the services fighting and so much more that I'm not going to express.

I know where your trying to take your comment and I don't want it to be a irrelevant one.
Let's not get off topic my friend :)

BlackCat
07-07-2011, 09:57 PM
See this is why contrary to all evidence I actually like MrWorker, he's so unashamedly racist and yet utterly unwilling to even acknowledge it. It's amusing...for me anyway.

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 11:06 PM
See this is why contrary to all evidence I actually like MrWorker, he's so unashamedly racist and yet utterly unwilling to even acknowledge it. It's amusing...for me anyway.

I only hope his stereotypical jokes of other nationalities are not serious whatsoever.

Tony_Soprano
07-07-2011, 11:11 PM
@dnj123,

I hope I didn't loose you bud :)

MrWorker
07-08-2011, 12:05 AM
Iam not racist at all. Have i mensioned anybodys skin ?. Iam fed up of that word.

And tony it was just a joke lol Everybody is tense about it. we all just need to relax take a step back and take it easy or otherwise BC will have an heart attack over racism again.

MrWorker
07-08-2011, 12:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixavbzGylcU

your the racist BC.

Tony_Soprano
07-08-2011, 12:48 AM
Soooo

Does anyone want me to help them understand anything associated to the origional topic of this thread.
I'm very very educated in all branches of eoconomics and be happy to educate :)

dnj12345
07-08-2011, 01:35 AM
it was kinda funny mrworker

BlackCat
07-08-2011, 07:30 AM
Racism pertains, as I've said before MrWorker to both color and creed. How can you still be so ignorant of this?


Also, and I'm pretty sure I've said this before too I am not BC, if you must abreviate my name just call me cat.


Now that that's been cleared up....how am I?

MrWorker
07-08-2011, 11:24 AM
Your namse black cat and its shorter just to call you BC '' Capppesssh '''.

No its not no matter how much you leftists try and make it that it will never stand for that. RACE is skin. Creed and religion are different. In religion its called blashemy NOT racism and since the majority of you are athiest why are you bothered ? Your not bothered about when you call christians name are you ? Or dosnt that count ?.
Your the racist BC no one else. and a hipocrit

Your just jealous because kazakstan is greatest country in the world LOL.

Tony_Soprano
07-08-2011, 03:36 PM
I'm not atheist
I'm Christian mrworker


But

Can we stay on topic or.....?:)

BlackCat
07-08-2011, 05:25 PM
hypocrite
n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold.

So...um how exactly? What have I said that's hypocritical?


I call christians sheep, I'm sure you can probably figure that one out for yourself with your stupendous knowledge of the bible. I'm not an atheist I'm agnostic with a dash of common sense thrown in for good measure. I take your religious fiction and replace it with historical and scientific fact.

BlackCat
07-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Laissez-moi savoir si vous avez besoin d'aide avec les mots.

MrWorker
07-08-2011, 08:25 PM
I dont really give a shit personnally.

ill give you this Example of you BC. Leftists are stupid hipocrits there call 1 party all types of names yet there defend another party which is AS BAD or worser. You leftists make me sick you bunch of hipocrits.

And like ive said iam not religious lol. I believe in god father and creator and jesus lord and savour and i have my own perception of it. Nobody is perfect we live in an imperfect world.

Agonostic is believing in all possibilities and not calling a religion names in case there true. You disprove that because your an agnostic you say, yet you call christians and people names so your not perfect neither so dont act like you are.

Personnally i think agnostics are just athiest cowards that dont believe in anything but just in case there is something they call themselves agnostic.

You best start speaking english aswell. French is just jibberish to me and so is any other laungage

MrWorker
07-08-2011, 08:42 PM
I'm not atheist
I'm Christian mrworker


But

Can we stay on topic or.....?:)

Blame black cat. He's acting like a kid. He's against me because i dont agree with his socialist world view

BlackCat
07-08-2011, 09:01 PM
No I'm against you because you're a eugh what was it bane called you? An ignorant bigot ?who's proven the have memory recall capabilities of a slightly stunned goldfish

dnj12345
07-08-2011, 10:38 PM
wtf did this thread turn into a race war

BlackCat
07-08-2011, 10:52 PM
Nope.

MrWorker Aimeriez-vous d'emprunter mon dictionnaire?

Tony_Soprano
07-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Well for one I really didn't want talk about religious aspects for it'd branch of theories in itself.
But. None of you are stating any real points to even eradicate mindless acusations such as who's believe and god is acceptable or deemed "right".

@MrWorker,
Blackcat isn't a "male" in no shape or form whatsoever. So please respect her mate. Even if your at total odds with her logic.

@at blackcat,
I don't agree with your metaphor calling Christians "sheep" .
It derives a negative cloud as I know what your trying to endow on us while making an point.

Allow me to properly educate atheist and agnostics alike.
Before I go into this
"Rational intelligibility of the universe"- basically means that faith itself,before believe, plays a foundational role in science. With that being said most will find it hard to comprehend what I'm professing.

I think it's important , in this soon to be "rational dibate", that we understand that science is limited for the complex fact that it's a creeping danger of equating science and rationality and what is beyond science, exemplified as God, isn't irrational and false. Science cannot determine what literacy pieces(poems) are good or not nor can science determine what architectural masterpieces are beautiful or not.these are rational examples. But science can determine that high concentrations of carbon-monoxide can defeat the chances of survival for living organisms dependent on oxygen. But science cannot determine what's morally correct or, to be more specific, christian morals and logic to be false.

I bet most of you didn't know that theoretically science supports Christianity NOT atheism.
I, and a few of my colligues, believe that atheism highly undermines the very logic athiesm thrives on and agnostics seem to get miss guided from God by which is science. Because if you guys ponder the basic assumption scientist have, and the point everyone needs to acknowledge, which is the rational intelligibility of the universe. Moreover it's beyond intersting to me and intellectually inclined Christians and believers alike that, people even Einstine used the word "faith " intertwined with "believe" saying that you MUST BELIEVE IN THE RATIONAL INTELLIGIBILITY OF THE UNIVERSE BEFORE ANYONE CAN DO ANY SCIENCE. What you all have to understand is that
Science itself dosnt give you that logic. Also saying that "rational intelligibility of the universe " is true in aspects of God and his existence.simply saying that before you can believe you need a "faith foundation(rational intelligibility of the universe).

Let's suppose we exclude agnostics and just focus on "atheism and theism ". Atheism tells you
That humans has been drawn together by evolution but miss guided in purpose as purpose is a individual thought/decision. thus saying that our views on the world are accurate. Also that if you are a reductionist/materialist ,which all athirst are, they reduce believes to the physics and chemistry of our very neurological structures exemplified as our minds.
Which leads to my question to atheists and agnostics alike, thst if in the end your beliefs or our( "our" meaning Christians who recognize science not evolution) are a result of our minds produced by unguided mind processes why should you believe in them??

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 12:38 AM
So you can't attack the "rational intelligibility of the universe"(faith ) that Christians go by as it's the same understanding that is understood by athirst in their faith and believe in science .

So incase you didn't understand a single thing I've expressed.
Go look up "rational intelligibility of the universe " and it will tell you that God and Christians beliefs aren't irrational nor false.thus they cannot be Expelled from logic .

MrWorker
07-09-2011, 12:48 AM
Thats a mouth full tony aha. But well put your right about that mate.

Black cat you are just total hipocrit

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 01:28 AM
Christians believe that Jesus fed five thousand people with five fish and two loaves of bread. Does that sound either rational or true to you? Christians believe Jesus bought a man back to life and walked on water. Does that sound likely? I think logically we can conclude religious beliefs at least from a christian point of view are irrational.
If you don't understand the sheep reference can I suggest you either google Ezekiel 25:17 or better yet just go watch Pulp Fiction, it's an awesome film if you can bare to watch John Travolta dancing like your dad.

MrWorker I've compiled a list of your favorite words for you, now what I'd like you to do is go look some of them up so you have a better idea of what you're talking about ok? Hypocrite, Ignorant, Communism, Leftist, Radical.
Oh those are all the correct spellings to enable you to find them more easily in a dictionary.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 01:32 AM
Christians believe that Jesus fed five thousand people with five fish and two loaves of bread. Does that sound either rational or true to you? Christians believe Jesus bought a man back to life and walked on water. Does that sound likely? I think logically we can conclude religious beliefs at least from a christian point of view are irrational.
If you don't understand the sheep reference can I suggest you either google Ezekiel 25:17 or better yet just go watch Pulp Fiction, it's an awesome film if you can bare to watch John Travolta dancing like your dad.

MrWorker I've compiled a list of your favorite words for you, now what I'd like you to do is go look some of them up so you have a better idea of what you're talking about ok? Hypocrite, Ignorant, Communism, Leftist, Radical.
Oh those are all the correct spellings to enable you to find them more easily in a dictionary.


Are you suggesting God dosnt exist or are you suggesting his "workings" are not probable . Thus non existing?

BlackRanger
07-09-2011, 02:23 AM
WOW your tread has really got me thinking about how much i spend on gas a year and how many americans are being cut off. I have thought about it i just never really paid attention to it

dnj12345
07-09-2011, 02:54 AM
thank you guys for making this my most succseful thread yet

VinnyBags
07-09-2011, 03:53 AM
To be clear, their is nothing rational about the universe or its creation. Whether it is the big bang theory, or the idea that God created everything that exists, their is simply no way to legitimately justify anything with fact (although I tend to side with the scientific argument). In fact, it is probable that the whole idea of religion itself was created out of the uncertainty of life and the simple need for a life after death.

Btw, Tony_Soprano, I agree with many things you have said regarding the economic conversation. However, in my opinion the oil thing should be simple: Regardless of if we increase domestic offshore drilling and government tapping of the vast oil and natural gas supply we currently possess, the only remedy to whoring ourselves out to other countries is proper investment in renewable energy technology that can be considered our own. The bottom line is that we do not have enough oil to sustain a country that consumes over a quarter of the oil produced in the world. Oil is not the future. That is obvious. Our only way out of our energy predicament is investment. Granted, we have a massive deficit and debt, but in my opinion, it would still be counterproductive to not invest heavily in the future of the country. Infrastructure, high-end manufacturing, renewable energy technologies and proper education of this nation are the way forward. If we do not act on these investments we simply will not compete in a serious way. Instead, we will be at the mercy of a service economy based mainly upon illegal immigrants and random technologies that will eventually migrate overseas anyway. Similar to our founding, the only way out of our predicament will be the independence of our investments and innovations, in order to undermine competitors by utilizing the uniqueness of America. One of the problems with that, however, will be the American instinct of impatience and criticism. If we can get past the ignorance, we may have a chance.

Shade
07-09-2011, 03:56 AM
According to most monotheistic religions, a single god created the vast universe. scientifically, the universe has no end and we happen to be the only life forms in the universe. If this god created an entire universe, why populate one planet? Now Islam, Judaism and Christianity all believe in the same god so can I please get some insight from people of these religions?

TheFlamingo
07-09-2011, 03:57 AM
Tony.. if you are going to comment, please atleast post your original thoughts and not snippets from articles found on the net.

Shade
07-09-2011, 04:00 AM
To be clear, their is nothing rational about the universe or its creation. Whether it is the big bang theory, or the idea that God created everything that exists, their is simply no way to legitimately justify anything with fact (although I tend to side with the scientific argument). In fact, it is probable that the whole idea of religion itself was created out of the uncertainty of life and the simple need for a life after death.

Btw, Tony_Soprano, I agree with many things you have said regarding the economic conversation. However, in my opinion the oil thing should be simple: Regardless of if we increase domestic offshore drilling and government tapping of the vast oil and natural gas supply we currently possess, the only remedy to whoring ourselves out to other countries is proper investment in renewable energy technology that can be considered our own. The bottom line is that we do not have enough oil to sustain a country that consumes over a quarter of the oil produced in the world. Oil is not the future. That is obvious. Our only way out of our energy predicament is investment. Granted, we have a massive deficit and debt, but in my opinion, it would still be counterproductive to not invest heavily in the future of the country. Infrastructure, high-end manufacturing, renewable energy technologies and proper education of this nation are the way forward. If we do not act on these investments we simply will not compete in a serious way. Instead, we will be at the mercy of a service economy based mainly upon illegal immigrants and random technologies that will eventually migrate overseas anyway. Similar to our founding, the only way out of our predicament will be the independence of our investments and innovations, in order to undermine competitors by utilizing the uniqueness of America. One of the problems with that, however, will be the American instinct of impatience and criticism. If we can get past the ignorance, we may have a chance.

why not find an alternate energy source instead? or are the oil producing companies simply trying to make as much money as possible until our oil supplies disappear?

VinnyBags
07-09-2011, 04:04 AM
Shade,

That was my point. We should be trying to invest in alternative energy sources. The idea that more research needs to be done is a bunch of bullshit. All that is, is another way for the oil companies to delay the inevitable. It's going to come down to whether we act upon our multiple opportunities or whether we bow down to the oil companies and set our country back 10-20 years.

Shade
07-09-2011, 04:06 AM
Shade,

That was my point. We should be trying to invest in alternative energy sources. The idea that more research needs to be done is a bunch of bullshit. All that is, is another way for the oil companies to delay the inevitable. It's going to come down to whether we act upon our multiple opportunities or whether we bow down to the oil companies and set our country back 10-20 years.

haha sorry i only read the first few lines of your post. Yes i agree a renewable source would benefit us greatly. The second we use our planet's last drop of oil and POOF we have another source.

DUCKY
07-09-2011, 04:19 AM
A lack of Hard-ons?
oh, maybe too mant wannabe's ??

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 06:22 AM
@shade,
Sorry bud but your comment twards "population of selective plants " changes the religious topic of "rational intelligibly of the universe". I suggest you read about it man and see what the topic focuses on :)

@everyone

I'm not a religious mastermind, I'm a chemistry, biology,physics and economics sevont. Lol

And this thread has been tarnished with various debate focuses.
Thus making this thread pointless

I hope I was able to educate you dnj123 :)

Danzig
07-09-2011, 10:59 AM
I once ate my own poop. Is that considered renewable energy?

TheFlamingo
07-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Tony.. just respond with your own comments and not snippets from articles you found on the web.. that's all I'm saying.

MrWorker
07-09-2011, 01:05 PM
According to most monotheistic religions, a single god created the vast universe. scientifically, the universe has no end and we happen to be the only life forms in the universe. If this god created an entire universe, why populate one planet? Now Islam, Judaism and Christianity all believe in the same god so can I please get some insight from people of these religions?


1 it will keep expanding untill everything burns out
2. the unniverse will eveually stop and it will all collid with each other again to make another big bang
3. a massive black hole will suck everything away. thats why we are speeding up in space.


But yet again there only theories.

MrWorker
07-09-2011, 01:07 PM
I believe theres other planets with life on and aliens etc.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 04:52 PM
@shade,

You must recognize two things in economics on a macro level
Especially when it comes to crude oil

- highest volume highest value
- supply and demand


Highist volume highest value is true on any trade whether you talk about measuring a good by "how much of a item is moved(valume ), the value, or how much it takes to move the item.
Valume allows insights in items to see whether a market it under or over supplied and whether an a potential undustry can withstand or barely meet the required flow in terms of demand and profit. Thus usually determines it net value and usually plays a part in a oil company's revenue or in oil market terminology "netback".
For example:
We are all whitnessing high gas prices on a micro Econ. Level.
It's is a result of high price of "X"/barrel on a macro level.
So crude oil companies sale at a obserd high price to make a " reasonable netback" for them to oil refiner companies. The oil companies. In return, to make a recover their expenses for their perchase, oil refiner companies sale their oil at a Higher price to markets. Thus gas stations set their gas at a "reasonable netback" price for them and which , in our case, is deemed to "an arm and a leg".


Highest volume and highest value correlates to "alternitive yet renewable energy " energy ideas.
Such as hydrogen fuel cells in cars, passive energy(wind energy) Ect.
The reason why we don't make a full transition to hydrogen fuel cell cars is due to highest volume highest value.

We don't have the infrastructures to support it's value(demand)
Infastuctures meaning car business with hydrogen fuel cell cars , hydrogen fuel cell making companies.
Car business cant even make a semi transition becuase we are still working out all the twicks with hydrogen fuel cells nor can hydrogen fuel cells making company exist for the most part.
Not only that, the nessicary materials are uniquely expensive as their prices raise debates amongst investors seeking positive interest returns.
So your idea on full movement, on transition, isn't logical right now

Now
Value plays a major role also.
Value of a good allows the gov and economist to understand trade patterns, of trade, of item ad well as BALANCE OF PAYMENTS.

Meaning once again the nessicary materials are UNIQUELY expensive as their prices raise debates amongst investors seeking positive interest returns.This also pertains to hydrogen fuel cells card(which is the equivalent of petroleum cars).

So another logical idea you must keep in mind. :)

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 05:06 PM
[QUOTE=VinnyBags;4378]To be clear, their is nothing rational about the universe or its creation. Whether it is the big bang theory, or the idea that God created everything that exists, their is simply no way to legitimately justify anything with fact (although I tend to side with the scientific argument). In fact, it is probable that the whole idea of religion itself was created out of the uncertainty of life and the simple need for a life after death."



Yes ,my friend there,is.
As complex and mind bobbling as it is to understand, it somewhat means that you have to have faith before you can believe before something can be even thought of or proved to be true.
Its provEn that you have to have "rational intelligibility of the universe" before you can do any science.

Your going to have to look up "rational intelligibility of the universe " if you didn't understand my previous post on that. :)
I hope you understand what it means.

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 05:10 PM
So MrWorker if you believe in aliens do you also believe, as some people do, that aliens taught primitive civilizations farming and engineering?

MrWorker
07-09-2011, 06:05 PM
With athiest's everythings gotta come in a pack asnt it ?.

I believe in a simple ''Not complicated'' a simple thing. I believe In god. But i also believe in evolution and aliens. But i believe god created IT all the vastness of space every little thing god created. Thats what i believe its not hard and nor should it be.

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 06:43 PM
You should be a politician with your seemingly inherent ability to not answer a question, what's god got to do with anything? Did aliens teach the egyptians irrigation? Or how to build the pyramids? Yes or no.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 08:11 PM
@blackcat,

What are is your current religious standings if I may ask?:)

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 08:21 PM
You may ask - agnostic, consequently I follow no religion. Not so much current as permanent.

ShorTerMemory
07-09-2011, 08:36 PM
haha...this shit is classic...every1 doesnt know by now that we wouldnt even be around if it wasnt for outside interference...way too many similarities in cultures in totally secluded spots on the planet thousands of years ago to not believe otherwise

MrWorker
07-09-2011, 08:38 PM
I did answere. i gave a good come back to it. And you know iam right. With atheists everythings gotta come in a pack. According to athiests you cant believe in god if you are a scientist or interested in space or conspiracies etc or vice versa.

''It annoys me aswell that atheists always pick on christians but never any other religion.''

I dont know if aliens made the pyramids. I reckon it was just slaves who built them but its still a possibilty its another conspiracie. But thats a pointless question you asked me. what about you ?

ShorTerMemory
07-09-2011, 08:38 PM
as for god...well lets just say that there is a constant flow of energy that makes up the vastness that is the universe...that is of course if you can get past the sun...giver of life to our solar system

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 09:02 PM
as for god...well lets just say that there is a constant flow of energy that makes up the vastness that is the universe...that is of course if you can get past the sun...giver of life to our solar system

I understand your correlation between God and Energy but, with all due respect your statement is a little too vague for me bud.

Care to state your current position on all of thus so far ?:)

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 09:03 PM
I agree almost entirely with shortermemory, I remember watching a program a while back about outside influence.....there was crap all on tv....anyway for some reason, somehow they'd found traces of cocoa...or maybe tobacco in an egyptian mummy. Now I'm not saying aliens were responsible but given that cocoa/tobacco doesn't grow in an arid desert climate and neither the egyptians nor the aztecs/mayans who were big on cocoa were noticeably ocean going civilizations it must have got there somehow.

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 09:06 PM
Oh and the nazca lines yeah?........yeah.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 09:10 PM
You may ask - agnostic, consequently I follow no religion. Not so much current as permanent.

Okay :)

So you believe in a higher , but do you believe in the same God chirstians embrace?(correct me if I'm wrong )
Also I'm assuming that you are not at conflict with the morals that Christian God advocates. That your main battle seems to be the logic of the bible not God's exsitance
Correct?

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 09:21 PM
I acknowledge no god without proof, since there is currently no proof there is currently no god. In any religion.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 09:49 PM
@Blackcat

As interesting as that sounds, you call proclaim yourself as agnostic but you believe in no higher form(God).
How's is that possible?
You have no proof of your higher form but you still believe?
So why is it that believers are verbally attacked,By non believers such as yourself), for "believing in God":)
There is a term for this type of thinking cant think of it off the top of my head...:(

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 10:06 PM
The way I view agnosticism is like this right, there's a cat in a box, you've been told the cat's there but you can't see, hear or touch the cat. How do you know that cat is in the box? It's the same principle with Him on high.

I have no idea why non-believers verbally attack believers...maybe we're all just cynic's at heart, personally I'm religiously tolerant, if you want to worship an absentee father figure you go right ahead but forgive me for not joining in.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 11:30 PM
The way I view agnosticism is like this right, there's a cat in a box, you've been told the cat's there but you can't see, hear or touch the cat. How do you know that cat is in the box? It's the same principle with Him on high.

I have no idea why non-believers verbally attack believers...maybe we're all just cynic's at heart, personally I'm religiously tolerant, if you want to worship an absentee father figure you go right ahead but forgive me for not joining in.

Let's not ride off topic with the "attacking who" and with "worship" :)


Well answer your question with your opnion silly :).

"how do you know the cat is there?"

Because if you say it's a form of beleif, then my post on,and scientists belief in,"rational intelligiblity of the universe"
Proves my points and appropriately removes agnostic and atheistic logic .Moreover contradicting your idea of "logic over assumption".

If you say no
Then your contradicting yourself and your very "belief" in a higher. Thus meaning that your not agnostic but intact truely atheist :)

BlackCat
07-09-2011, 11:41 PM
Well you don't know wether or not the cat is there do you. It's entirely up to you on a indivual basis wether you accept the cat is there on good faith, reject the fact the cat is there because you can't see it or admit that there's an even chance the cat is there or not. Religious, atheist, and agnostic points of view.

Tony_Soprano
07-09-2011, 11:54 PM
Well you don't know wether or not the cat is there do you. It's entirely up to you on a indivual basis wether you accept the cat is there on good faith, reject the fact the cat is there because you can't see it or admit that there's an even chance the cat is there or not. Religious, atheist, and agnostic points of view.


So I'm right
In actuality you contradicted yourself by now saying it's belief when before you denoted "rational intelligiblity of the universe" somewhat pretty much saying that there its not a rational on anylevel.

Belief means "rational intelligibity of the universe" for the most part.

So you do believe in the theory and your in wrong for attacking "believers" that have the same view of "belief" in a higher form in general. :)

BlackCat
07-10-2011, 12:03 AM
You do know intelligibility isn't a real word don't you?

It's not belief it's gullibility. How is it you're allowed to accuse me of attacking believers but when I say I don't you're not willing to discuss it.


Regardless you've made your decision. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time here.

Tony_Soprano
07-10-2011, 12:13 AM
@Blackcat,



come on you for the most part you've embarised mrworker for not knowing "as much" and you've attacked his religious beliefs as well so don't say I'm "accusing you with no evidence".

And don't switch nor intertwine "belief & gullibility ". Your trying to derive a new focus.
Also, "rational intelligiblity of the universe" is real.
Re read my post on it orLook it up for yourself.

I love having you in debates becuase your very smart and you state important facts.
But I caught you contradicting yourself :)

I'm not going to attack you and take advantage of that nor embarise you becuase I'm not like that. Well I am but I wouldn't do such to you as I respect you very much!:)

No hard feelings Blackcat okay?:)

MrWorker
07-10-2011, 12:31 AM
No evidence god exists ? Hahaha. I see gods work everwhere Everytime ive asked for something or wanted some kind of a sign ( whatever that is ) God as always giving me it. For example one particlar night my grandma was dying of cancer she only had an hour or less left to live and that was at around 12 am she wasnt in any pain. I stayed at home to sleep that night i was only young so my parents thought it be best if i stayed at home. But i prayed to god hoping that she would stay alive just long enough so i could say my good byes. The next morning about 8 am i went to the hospital and she was still alive i sat next to her and said my good bys and 10 minutes later she died.

I thank god for giving me that chance to say goodbye and i know now shes in a better place. and thats just ONE example of many many other miracles and gifts gods as given me. and i thank god and jesus for it.

No atheists will ever take that away from me. Nobody will separate us from gods love. god is good and always as been and always will be.

MrWorker
07-10-2011, 12:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtyTB0UOkI

Are these the sort of people your talking about BC LOL

This is from an idiot abroad funny thing :)

dnj12345
07-12-2011, 06:07 PM
i agree mr.worker i know this is a small miracle if it is one at all but i was swimming and i had to sneeze but i could not it was so iratating so i prayed for god to let me sneeze and it worked i sneezed about 2 minutes later so if i need something desperaltely i will pray to god but not for all my problems p.s. im catholic just saying

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 07:42 PM
Haha thats quite funny dnj. yeah i agree with the last part of it iam same. Iam protestant christian by sect. My grandparents where catholic :). theres no different though protestant, catholic or othodox where all the same. :)

Tony_Soprano
07-12-2011, 07:48 PM
Well I guess there is "hard feelings" amongst me and blackcat on her behalf :(

MrWorker
07-13-2011, 04:36 PM
Why dont you become a mormon dnj and tony lol ?

dnj12345
07-13-2011, 06:16 PM
because i dont beleive in mormonism or however it is spelled

Deuce4jr
07-13-2011, 06:46 PM
really cool thread to read....some really good points....some way out there in left field.....but nobody has said anything about the late70s and 80s...when the current USA prez....would institute a ``windfall profit tax`` on the oil cpys....the end result was an instant almost 50% cut in the price of gas overnite....the other thing we all have to remember....is big goverment DOESNT want us to get 40 -50 MPG.....all the states and the feds revenue at the pump tax would be lost if we all tripled our fuel mileage

MrWorker
07-13-2011, 07:17 PM
because i dont beleive in mormonism or however it is spelled

Mormons believe that their will become a god and lead another planet/s when their die

BlackCat
07-13-2011, 08:20 PM
I thought it was the mormon's who believe their's is the true version of christanity and all other creeds (protestant, catholicism, orthodoxy etc) are an "abomination in the eye's of the lord."

Lew
07-13-2011, 08:25 PM
lehman brothers

all you need to know

MrWorker
07-14-2011, 09:17 AM
Obviously black cat theys more to a religion than that one line i said i just said what their believe when there die. Iam not a fooking R.E teacher !

And iam a protestant so to me thats the correct religion to follow. But like ive said thats your choice.

Attitude_Adjuster
07-14-2011, 10:42 AM
Let's see here, i am a protestant christian, but i will not tell someone how they should conduct their religous activities. If you are non-religous good for you, if you are agnostic, that's fine.

But, don't tell me how to conduct myself. That'll piss me off.

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 03:33 AM
really cool thread to read....some really good points....some way out there in left field.....but nobody has said anything about the late70s and 80s...when the current USA prez....would institute a ``windfall profit tax`` on the oil cpys....the end result was an instant almost 50% cut in the price of gas overnite....the other thing we all have to remember....is big goverment DOESNT want us to get 40 -50 MPG.....all the states and the feds revenue at the pump tax would be lost if we all tripled our fuel mileage

Very specific point :)
During the 70s and 80s I believe the governemt was in comprimiable surplus.
Moreover, North American oil shipping business were changing the "acceptable grade range"of oil due to new smog laws implemented at the time.


There could be more that can be elaborated on but just little does the trick :)

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 03:37 AM
@MrWorker,

Why would "I" convert to mormonism?

Attitude_Adjuster
07-15-2011, 04:13 AM
Very specific point :)
During the 70s and 80s I believe the governemt was in comprimiable surplus.
Moreover, North American oil shipping business were changing the "acceptable grade range"of oil due to new smog laws implemented at the time.

There could be more that can be elaborated on but just little does the trick :)

Something that may not have been mentioned, is that your gas price is governed by your exchange rate, which, at the moment, is as weak as it has been for a very long time, like, 27 years maybe. If the US was totally independent of the Middle East you probably wouldn't have the problem you have now with gas prices.

It's probably also governed by prices in another country. Here in Australia it is governed by prices out of Singapore. Tony i don't doubt your knowledge of economics, just your method of implementation.

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 12:55 PM
@MrWorker,

Why would "I" convert to mormonism?

You tell me lol

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Something that may not have been mentioned, is that your gas price is governed by your exchange rate, which, at the moment, is as weak as it has been for a very long time, like, 27 years maybe. If the US was totally independent of the Middle East you probably wouldn't have the problem you have now with gas prices.

It's probably also governed by prices in another country. Here in Australia it is governed by prices out of Singapore. Tony i don't doubt your knowledge of economics, just your method of implementation.


Its gas prices are also determined by "highest valume high value" which Is more specific to understanding.
Yes,the U.S's" exchange rate "is higher when comparing to Australias'. But, it's only becuase Singapore is a Major exporting country in general and a mojar supplier to Australia.Canada and Mexico,which are the U.S. Major suppliers, aren't major oil exporters. Also Singapore is a lot closer to Australia than the the middle east is to the U.S. . What I'm trying to get you to comprehend is that Australia has a major exporting country that's not to far away.
So this affects how much the oil will cost. How?
Well it's a basic Econ theory "closest market focus".
"closet market focus" states that exporters base their shipments focus and specific price on LOCATION,COST TO SHIP(expencces) ,and demand.It cost Singapore a lot less to ship oil to Australia than it cost the midd east to ship oil to the U.S.
So Singapore dosnt have to implement a higher price on oil/B to receive a "reasonable gain". But, its going to cost America "put of the ass" to receive oil from far away. That's why N.America's prices are higher.
We have to charge more at the pump so that we can to "receive a reasonable netback" after we paid so much to get it here. So your example of "exchange rate" wasn't an exchange rate example so to speak.
The economically correct name for your example Would be a "closer market focus" example.
But you defeated your purpose Of the point you were trying to make by saying it was "a weak echange rate" when in actuality it was a "closer shipment that made australias cost lower".

With that belong correctly expressed, you must comprehend that the middle east is the largest exporter region of oil and one
One out of three of North America's major oil supplying Countries .Thus announcing North Americas's total independence from the Middle east's large concentration of oil and depending on The other two oil smaller suppliers,Canada and Mexico, would be totally il logical.
Mexico and Canada aren't "Major Oil Exporting Contries".They are just Countries that can spare some oil.
And it's cheeper to receive oil from an neighoring country as I'm sure you know about "Closest Market Focus" terminology. Anyways,North America totally refraining from Middle East oil would apply unnessicary pressure on Canada's "oil conservative markets" and Mexico's "sub-Par transforming oil industry" all in a attempt to become "more independent". For then, depleting oil concentrations in Mexico and Canada for own country uses at an even faster rate
.this also would force the two countries to spend more capital to replenish the import-export oil ratio just to maintain normal levels. Also as a result of making N America refrain from middle esst oil ,you can expect Canada's and Mexico's atempt to save what's left of their oil and either force N.America to switch the percent dependence on other oil suppliers or add oil suplpliers and decrease percent dependence on their oil suppliers. Either way would drive of the already 98.00/B in North America to about 105.00-107.00/B.
With the system of suppliers(Canada,Mexico and the middle east) the U.S. Has at this moment the current PPB is about 98.00 which is deemed high right now but compared to your idea of total independence of middle eastern oil would offically provide NO Such benefits of :
-lower gas prices
-a happier America

But your idea does prevoke:
-Americans saying "Gases prices higher than before?? Again??"
-More inefficent spending on a obvious Maco level
-Drive up Canada's and Mexico's PPB to an obserd ratio
And last
-then all three counties would have to offically and totally refrain from suppling eachother with oil, and be totally co-dependent on middle eastern oil.
Greece depends totally on middle eastern oil.and look how there economy's PPB is :)


If you weren't specifically talking about Canada and Mexico then you shouldn't of said N.America because they are two out of three of the U.S's major oil suppliers.

Also,
I've explained everything, that you said" might not of been mentioned" ,more than 6 pages ago in this thread. So "implimentions" on the 70s-80s windfall profit",as you called them, were actually "true" and summarized as I didn't want to restate them.


And I wouldn't doubt the knowledge of a Maco Minor either.

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 04:53 PM
You tell me lol

I'm telling you I'm Christian

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 08:28 PM
I'm telling you I'm Christian

Yeah. Mormonism is christianity mate.

Tony_Soprano
07-16-2011, 01:29 AM
Yeah. Mormonism is christianity mate.

Oh really-___-
Why do I find that offensive

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 10:00 AM
Oh really-___-
Why do I find that offensive

You tell me why you find that offensive ?.

Mormonism is just another sect of christianity like jehovah witnesses are to an extent there not propper christian religions like. Protestant, Catholic or othodox. But there still come under christianity

BlackCat
07-16-2011, 01:22 PM
Obviously it doesn't bother me but I could think of a couple of people whi might be a little upset you just claimed mormonism was not a proper religion. What does make a proper religion?

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Haha black cat your trying to twist peoples words again. What i ment was.

Mormonism is christian sect. But Prods, caths and otho. Follow the same set of belief. Mormons dont neither do jehovahs. Thats why i said it isnt a proper Christian religion. But it still comes under christianity thats my point.

BlackCat
07-16-2011, 04:30 PM
What's a proper christian religion? Who decides what's proper about it?and how do mormonic beliefs differ from true christians.

Waaaa
07-16-2011, 04:39 PM
if i'd control gas prices i would had raised it too. Since our cars now day run twice as long, can't imaging that being a benefit of who ever end up with the cash off of it. All my life it's been difficult getting an regular lob, but the criminal underworld not seem affected, and always welcome people with same state of mind. Since i live in denmark. We pay close to 50 percent of income in taxes. Our car price tripple in other taxes and bs if we want it road legal. Well you might see whats easier. I.m looking to get hired in real job soon, that i did.nt even apply for:) not bad

Waaaa
07-16-2011, 04:45 PM
stop talking religion on internet tards not a single time that ended well

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 06:48 PM
Mormonic beliefs differ alot compared to prods,Caths or Otho iam not a RE teacher and this conversation is boring me. If you want to know how much it differs then look it up.

BlackCat
07-16-2011, 07:12 PM
Do you not know how they differ? If I knew that I would never have asked.

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 10:10 PM
I know. But you asked. If you so interested in how there differ look i up

Tony_Soprano
07-17-2011, 04:55 AM
stop talking religion on internet tards not a single time that ended well

People can converstate on whatever topic of choice they desire even if it's talking about "religon" on an "economic based" thread. Lol
Also,very happy you were able to obtain a job in such harsh economic times :)
Salut!
Moreover, I wouldn't call anyone a "Tard" until you finish the rest of your alias name with your choice of the following

-nder
-ste

It fits your place in this thread :)
Jk
Just kidding mate

Tony_Soprano
07-17-2011, 05:02 AM
@MrWorker & Blackcat,and everyone else

Since you two vigorous intellects(Blackcat &MrWorker) cannot come arrive at comon ground on religion,why not change the focus to one of these:

1- Legalization of Abortion in all States: To be or not to be?

2-Is Anarchism a valuable Politcal ideology or does it feed the fire of revolt and disorientation of the masses and depriving progress?

3-Should ther be a balance in the "Media" and require them to be balanced and impartial in their reporting of events?


I suggest a start with number one :)
Then,after 50 or so posts and personal satisfaction threw points made, we will move on to the next topic.I believe everyone can accept such terms.

dnj12345
07-17-2011, 05:25 AM
personally i don't care if it is illegal

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 11:11 AM
Abortion shoukld be illegal no questions asked its murder for fucks sake.

Iam a person who believe in justice. Which means if someone does something then there should get the EXACT same treatment back to them. Example if someone pulls out someones eye then their should have their eye pulled out in return. ETC ETC.

Who as giving them the right to kill that child ? I believe that if she is ''So brave'' To kill her child then she should be put to death aswell.

Like it says in the good book. AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH

BlackCat
07-17-2011, 12:10 PM
Thats not justice, more like vengenance.

It depends on the circumstances, if the child was concieved as a result of rape abortion should not only be an option but also encouraged. If a couple are just latex lazy then they shoulkd deal with the consequences of their own stupidity. Though of course there is then the possibility single mothers claiming benefits because they're unable to work until the child reaches a certain age.

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 02:42 PM
Justice is vengence. Death penalty should be brought back. Plus we should open labour camps for druggys burglars theives etc. instead of them having a comfortable bed hot food dayly showers watching TV or playing on computer IN PRISON !. there should be made to WORK hard chain gang army style type things. Plus there should bring brack national service. thatll make them not want to go back to prison.

Fair enough if its rape. But that one is quite an hard one. Maybe their should have the child But put it up for adoption maybe. That way the child gets its life and the mother dosnt have to have owt todo with it.

But these punks who have intercourse if there dont want the responsibility then there should'nt have sex its very simple really.

BlackCat
07-17-2011, 07:35 PM
I don't want kids and I have sex. It's called contraception.

pixar
07-17-2011, 08:26 PM
Giwe my many

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 10:35 PM
Sex is to have kids thats the point of it women are basically just for kids its what keeps this world populated and alive. You should Get real BC.

Clent
07-17-2011, 10:51 PM
in texas they made it 90 dollars for 1 gallon!!!!!

Tony_Soprano
07-17-2011, 11:50 PM
Let's put things into an example:

What if 5 woman were raped and abortions were illegal and they offered the innocent children up for adoption. Let's say 30yrs later out of the 5 that have been offered up 3 of them becomes well renowned citizens of society or a loving father or mother to his or her kids.

But

Lets rewind back to the raped mothers decision time.
If abortion was made legal and they chose to have an abortion. The 5 women now not only killed innocent children but theyve hurt society on a various levels.



Anyone see the point I'm making?:)

BlackCat
07-18-2011, 07:54 AM
Women are basically for kids? I mean biologically you're correct but there's only native tribes on new guinea and in the amazons that still think that way and their men are still true hunter-gatherers.

If producing children was a womans sole responsibility then the menstrual cycle would be constant and conception would be certain.
Personally I treat sex in the same way I do the gym. Play hard for a couple of hours, build up a sweat, take a shower and go home.

LK
07-18-2011, 08:15 AM
Tony.. if you are going to comment, please atleast post your original thoughts and not snippets from articles found on the net.


Why is this comment being ignored Tony? It's blatantly obvious that those are not words of your own. If snippets of your so called knowledge were pasted into google I'm sure an article coincidently the same will show up. I wish I was as smart like the Internet too LOL


Re religion - everyone believes in the same god they just have different ways of practicing their religion

MrWorker
07-18-2011, 09:43 AM
Bascailly yeah. The women is ment to stay at home and cook and clean and all the other shit. And the mans ment to go win the bread.

BlackCat
07-18-2011, 01:17 PM
Very sexist point of view there MrW. Not in a long term relationship are you?

Jzee
07-18-2011, 02:07 PM
MrWorker i belive that women are to be treated equally if you belive in religion this is why women have been created from the rib from this we can understand that they are niether below men nor above men but are equal and should be treated as equal this means they should be as equal as men are and according to you if they are only good to reproduce and look after the home then so are we and this is quite a pity for we have a lot to learn from woman they might be the fairer sex but they also have to give up far more then men do. just my two bits.

MrWorker
07-18-2011, 03:02 PM
Well if a man looks at this he may find it offensive that hes got to go and get the bread and work. Dont just look at it from the womens point of view. Us men find some things as equally offensive. Women and men are not equal. Women are weaker and have more of a motherly care. Men are stronger and go to work and earn the living for the family. Thats not really like what its like today but thats how its ment to be.

All people are equal but not in the same areas.

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 12:56 AM
Well if a man looks at this he may find it offensive that hes got to go and get the bread and work. Dont just look at it from the womens point of view. Us men find some things as equally offensive. Women and men are not equal. Women are weaker and have more of a motherly care. Men are stronger and go to work and earn the living for the family. Thats not really like what its like today but thats how its ment to be.

All people are equal but not in the same areas.

Yikes.....this is pretty critical.
I guess I agree with "times have changed"and as far as your last line goes I'll agree with the first part of it which is "All people are equal". Everything else is going into a personal view of yours which is no problem.

But,as I'm reading I knowticed a change in topic focus going from "Abortion" to " the ideal perspective of women".
How does such correlate ?:)
Or...

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 02:28 AM
WOW your tread has really got me thinking about how much i spend on gas a year and how many americans are being cut off. I have thought about it i just never really paid attention to it

Just knowticed this comment. lol

Glad someone was able to have their eyes open :)

falcon
07-19-2011, 02:35 AM
I heard that there will be a rescission much bigger than the previous one .. in about 2 years... is it true ??

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 02:59 AM
You tell me why you find that offensive ?.

Mormonism is just another sect of christianity like jehovah witnesses are to an extent there not propper christian religions like. Protestant, Catholic or othodox. But there still come under christianity


I was kidding on saying that was offending hehee. :)
I was kind of making a point though with my answer.
Some Christians think Mormonism is not proper.
Personally don't find the religious teachings of Mormonism "wrong" in general but that is because Im not too Educated in that particular religious practice.
And it's funny because I happily live next to a lot of modern Mormons :p
Very ..very nice people
But I'm Christian and a happy one :)

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 03:16 AM
I heard that there will be a rescission much bigger than the previous one .. in about 2 years... is it true ??

Yes I think.
Right now I believe the U.S president is currently waiting for the senate(controlled by ye GOP) to approve the" debt ceiling raise bill" before august 10th I believe(not to sure on the precise date unfortunately).
The senate is pretty much controlled by republicans and the house is controlled by the demorcrates at the moment(in terms of what political party has majority seats). The president ,being a democrat, has the house on his side but the senate is at odds with his judgements in general. If the chambers and parties dont come to an agreement and Fail to raise the debt ceiling then we could well most likely see a much harsher recession in the U.S. .


One of the main reasons to raise the debt ceiling is to aid social security benefits but the GOP dosnt want to raise the debt ceiling one of the reasons being wanting to see the president fail before 2012 elections. so ,the democrats are playing the "republicans dont care about aiding those in need so they don't want the social security benefits for Americans ". And thus being very powerful verbal attack on republicans ,by democratic representatives, has the backings of the middle class and lower class and even some of the upper class too on their side.

BlackCat
07-19-2011, 08:20 AM
You can't see the link between stay at home mum and abortion? Truly?

MrWorker
07-19-2011, 02:32 PM
Ive never met a mormon i dont think. Ive met plenty of jehovah witnesses

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 11:33 PM
You can't see the link between stay at home mum and abortion? Truly?



Well I comprehend the level of "care" for the child is different amongst the two.
But what progress does that point make?
Are you expressing the fact that their are more women in their " right minds " who dont commit abortions, than there are women committing abortions?for then abortions aren't important as it's not out of control ?

Or is that not the point beig made.


Unfortunatel, I'm still not conscious of how the two correlate and what the point is on that note.
Patiently awaiting understanding :)

Tony_Soprano
07-19-2011, 11:49 PM
Ive never met a mormon i dont think. Ive met plenty of jehovah witnesses


What's your opinions on them?:)

BlackCat
07-20-2011, 08:28 AM
Look it up on the "internet" tony its ever so "useful."


On a related note you know what I found out the other day? The groundwork for the nuclear bomb was started in Britain, I thought it was an American thing. Oppenheimer and all that. 'Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds.'

Attitude_Adjuster
07-20-2011, 01:43 PM
Look it up on the "internet" tony its ever so "useful."


On a related note you know what I found out the other day? The groundwork for the nuclear bomb was started in Britain, I thought it was an American thing. Oppenheimer and all that. 'Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds.'

BlackCat you are wrong. Since Einstein cracked the atom, he'd moved to the US before WW2 started and warned FDR about Germany's desire to create an atomic weapon or bomb if you like. So that led to the Manhattan project, which was as classified as it could be to develop an atomic bomb.

It did NOT start in Britain as you said. Don't believe me? Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

BlackCat
07-20-2011, 02:26 PM
Good try. Yes the Manhattan project was responsible for the first atomic weapons but the Manhattan project incorporated the British Tube Alloys - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_Alloys

Sorry.

Jzee
07-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Ok So.......what is with the rising gas price and al the job cuts lately???

MrWorker
07-20-2011, 04:36 PM
If it wasnt for the british commandos and the nowegian resistance the nazis would have gotten the 1st nuclear bomb. Its good job there didnt otherwise hell would be on earth right now. But good always triumphs over evil in the end. Hail Britannia ///// yet again we smashed our enemies.

My views on mormons and jehovahs are there can believe whatever there like i dont have a problem with either. Jehovahs are possible the most peacful religion on this planet. There dont agree with war and there not radical. And there against radicalism.

BlackCat
07-20-2011, 05:24 PM
British Commandoes? Norwegian resistance? This is before Norway was occupied. Initial french research revealed heavy water would be required so they asked norway, norway said they'd already had an offer from the german's the egg heads explained what the water was needed for so the norwegians gave the water to a french secret service agent who bought it back to france then sent it to england for safe keeping. That's the basics, it's all in the article I hot linked....read the paris group.

Fallen
07-20-2011, 05:28 PM
I will give 5 million dollars to who ever completely zero's Heartbreakkid and Showstopper

MrWorker
07-20-2011, 07:40 PM
Iam more interested in the battles sides of ww2 then the political part. Yeah thats fine. But when it was been created in the labs and shit. It was the brits and the Nors that shut the nazi bomb down and kept shutting it down. Nuclear bomb is the worst military weapon created.

After the war in europe had finished. The war in the east. The japs fort to the death exactly like a patriotic hero should do. I understand that the allies where tired and fed up of fighting by the end of the war. ( Even the japs where tired and fed up ) But i reckon it was abit cowardice to nuke japan because the allies knew there fort to the death. The allies probably couldnt be arsed fighting anymore lol. But if youve got the weapon to save your owns people lives and end your enemies then i suppose at the end of the day youve got no choice if your the only one with a nuke you can get away with it aswell. The japs still owe america two nuclear bombs by the way lawwl

Kag
07-20-2011, 08:20 PM
Inflation? Dunno exactly. lol. Maybe it's what Tony said. XD

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nuki
07-21-2011, 12:31 AM
Dam broo u still weth that shit

Tony_Soprano
07-21-2011, 01:08 AM
Ok So.......what is with the rising gas price and al the job cuts lately???


Inflation? Dunno exactly. lol. Maybe it's what Tony said. XD

@kag,
It's pretty much exactly what I said. Lol

Jzee,
Re read my posts that are relevant with the origional topic focus and your question(s) will be answered. the begining of this thread is were you should start mate :)


If you have questions after then,ask away :)

Tony_Soprano
07-21-2011, 01:27 AM
@Blackcat,

All of the parts to the atomic bomb weren't made on American soil nor was all of it's pieces made by Americans. There was only britian who helped make some pieces(alloys). The planning and decision on what materials were needed were decided in America and by Americans in general.

So, if you want to hand Britain "some credit" go ahead.
But

It still was "Une chose des americaine" :p

Tony_Soprano
07-21-2011, 01:28 AM
@Blackcat,

But I do credit what your saying :)

BlackCat
07-21-2011, 07:34 AM
Uh....the decision on what materials were needed had been made years before the idea even got to America. They were made in France and then later in Britain. Did you even read the article?

I think it's only fair to give Britain "some credit" don't you? I mean they did with a "little help" start "the ball rolling"

Tony_Soprano
07-21-2011, 03:39 PM
@blackcat,

Yes I read the article and found it informative.
Also, yes I do agree now that Britain should get "some credit".

Attitude_Adjuster
07-21-2011, 04:27 PM
BlackCat you are really reaching to blame Britain solely for the atomic weapon. Did the US need to make the weapon? Remember this: the US entered WW2 on the proviso to end imperialistic empires once and for all. Look what happened, nuclear weapons and name calling for the next 50 years. I read the article, it seems both the US and Britain were seeking to make an atomic weapon before Germany.

BlackCat
07-21-2011, 05:40 PM
I'm not blaming anybody all I'm saying is I didn't know Britain with the aid of French scentists was the driving force behind the atomic bomb. However if you want to blame somebody then as tony says, or at least I think means to, c'est une chose américain. So that seems as good a candidate as any no?

Now did the US need to make the weapon? No I don't think they did. Even if they had managed to produce one prior to Germany's defeat and then use it on the Germans the fallout, both political and physical would have been rather obviously devastating. And even you're beloved Einstein, though he had nothing to do with the actual creation spoke out against the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

MrWorker
07-21-2011, 08:28 PM
Black cat maybe you should call yourself black twat hahaha. ( Not in a racial way )

Are you black ?

BlackCat
07-21-2011, 09:45 PM
Maybe you should call yourself Mr Wanker?


Precisely what difference does the color of a persons skin make? Ever?

Tony_Soprano
07-22-2011, 03:58 AM
Well whether the U.S. Needed to use an Atomic bomb and or wanted to use the atomic bomb is a moral debate.
But I think it was correct to use the Atomic bomb at the time.
From a U.S. General's point of view, he wants to loose as little men as possible and from a u.s. Citizen ,having a loved one in the armed forces, they want their loved one to return.

Yes the bomb killed innocent people but japan's main mindset,at the time, was "never surrender", "honor before death" and " the Country before me".Basically there wasn't going to be a "total surrender" as American generals wanted from japan.
So, using the bomb revised "the rising sun's" views on the total surrender.

Tony_Soprano
07-22-2011, 04:01 AM
@MrWorker,

I agree with cat. Color of skin dosnt matter.


@blackcat,


Can I call you cat?:)
It would be more easy on me a my spell check seems to always be at odds with ms when I put in" blackcat" :|

MrWorker
07-22-2011, 11:32 AM
It makes alot of difference quite frankly. Blacks are a different race to white and so are chinks and the 1 thousand other different races BUT we are all a apart of the human species. I dont care what colour a person skin is i simply said are you really black. Or are you one of thoughs stupid white idiots that wants to be black for some wiered reason.

YES. I AM A ORANGE ENGLISH CUNT. and PROUD :)

Jzee
07-22-2011, 02:44 PM
cor blimey who would have thought Mr Worker was english god save the queen jolly good then jolly good!

MrWorker
07-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Yeah iam english working class. Iam not a stiff nosed rich twat

God save the working people of britian NOT the queen. I pledge my allegience to the country NOT the queen. The queen is a traitor to our nation.

BlackCat
07-22-2011, 05:26 PM
1. How did you even come up with the idea I was black?
2. The Queen is the head of state no? And since the state is england it also follows the queen is england. By the grace of god no less!
3. Everyone else calls me Cat tony, if you want to as well I'm not about to stop you.

JohnnyBoy
07-22-2011, 06:15 PM
I shave my pubes sometimes,I mean if the girl is prepared to make the effort why shouldn't I?

Tony_Soprano
07-22-2011, 08:19 PM
@Cat,

Okay cool.

@MrWorker,

The Queen of The "United Kingdom of Great Britain" dosnt really intervene in political decisions or matters I think. Isn't it the Prime Minister and the cabinet that maintains political control over Britian and " the Queen" just a figure head so to speak?

So, why hate the queen?She hasn't done anything knowticable that even the citizens of the UK would scorn.

I think your in conflict is with the Prime Minister of Britian if it's based on political decisions.

Tony_Soprano
07-22-2011, 09:08 PM
@MrWorker,

Also, why are you at odds with the current Queen of England?

homey
07-22-2011, 10:29 PM
actually the us government has been working on synthetic fuels for some time now, been running it in a couple aircraft engines. There is alot of promising technology on the horizon. Iceland already has hydrogen filling stations everywhere. unfortunately the usa seem's to be locked into gasoline. Hell even ford sells the same cars in other countries but with clean diesel engines that get 40+ miles to the gallon. buy a vw diesel and you'll enjoy the same savings. otherwise you are f'd. But once those technologies arrive will be nice to tell all those sand people to eat their oil! then clean water and food will be the commoditiies most in need!

homey
07-22-2011, 10:32 PM
mrworker, tell me one thing what the hell good ever came out of africe?
many cultures have given us art humanities medicine literature science, nothing good has ever come out of africe, cannabilism aids genocide, etc, that's what you get from there! prove me wrong!

MrWorker
07-22-2011, 11:36 PM
Ehh maybe the name BLACK in cat gave me the idea you was black. Because alot of blacks on here love to glorify there skin every 5 minutes. I bet there do it for attension and then there can claim racism if somebody says anything about it.

Nothing good as come out of africa that i can think of. All the great creations have come from europe and mainly from britian and germany. But your forgetting 'homey' The blacks are from the ghetto N SHIT there have no great ambitions except to have there pants on the ground and sell drugs creat stupid kiddy gangs with there pissing ground and rob off of innocent good people.

'' Respet ma shit beeyaattcchhh ''''' Or ill claim racism towards ma white skin

Africa and middle east is NO doubt the shit of the world and thats fact and you know it. No respect or honour. Instead theres filth war genocide famine the list is endless and the islamic militants are stopping aid help to somalia and the other eastern african countries. Honestly what a shit place to live. Iam glad i was born english. British but english by the grace of god.

I Have a problem with the queen because shes got everything and she still moans about this and that SPOILT or what maybe she should do a good days work and pay bill with very little mney then maby she will know what the hell she is talking about. The queen is the total head so she as total supreme power in england and britian so she can stop been lazy and start making the country great and prosper again she even as to have her chips cooked exactly in the same size LOL

Tony_Soprano
07-23-2011, 04:50 AM
@MrWorker,

I'm deeply appauled in your stereotypes!
Not all umm "Blacks" are "from the ghetto". Moreover not all of them "carry their pants below the waste, speak uncomprehendable slang" and/or " rob profitable items from from those who posses them".
I even know those, from this game, that do meet your sterotype requirements and make a lot less spelling and grammatical errors when they write than you.
So what does that mean about you? 0,o

The "few and proud" blacks are virtous Doctors, successful Lawyers to intermediate Business men and women.
And the ones that reside as my neighbors where I live are the following above or equivalent , in terms of success, and nothing less. The "few the Proud" idealistic type of thinking isnt just a saying for blacks.This can be said and backed by facts on ANY RACE including Italians!

Also, although Africa is a Place victumed to turmoil and endless, it's still the most resourceful Continent holding vast amounts of precious metals and minerals to solar cells for synthetic creatings, such as Solar powered pannels, in the "renewable energy industry". And the very Diamonds you might claim to have are from the "shit hole " you referred to as "Africa".

And umm "homey", I don't know how you navigated yourself into this thread but before you start dennouncing a continent, atleast take the spell a " 6 letter word correctly". No pressure though. Not everyone was dedicated in 2nd grade English class. :)


I just hate stereotypes negative of any race with a passion!
Especially stereotypes of American culture!

Now I mean no harm in what I just said but let's not be racist !

BlackCat
07-23-2011, 08:18 AM
What's in a name MrWorker? A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

Do you think that Tony Soprano there is really Tony Soprano? Or that Bane is a DC character? Or that TheFlamingo is really a pink bird?

homey
07-23-2011, 09:54 AM
tony sop, you fail to realize that every african country that was sulfsupporting when it was run by whites are all now shitholes, after the blacks took back power. Yeah right all those resources and can't even be selfsustaining! As for my spelling, don't worry about me, I prolly make 3 x's what you do!! but you are right about education it is the great equalized. To bad most of them in this country are to stupid and or lazy to get one, even though it's free!

MrWorker
07-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Not all blacks are bad. Iam talking about the street trash There scum of the earth.

But i 2nd what homey said. When whites ran africa it was normal when blacks took charge it crumbled and theres nothing now but civil war and genocide aids the list is endless. You think if there had a brain there would stop the wars and unite and make africa a good place.

Tony_Soprano
07-23-2011, 04:09 PM
tony sop, you fail to realize that every african country that was sulfsupporting when it was run by whites are all now shitholes, after the blacks took back power. Yeah right all those resources and can't even be selfsustaining! As for my spelling, don't worry about me, I prolly make 3 x's what you do!! but you are right about education it is the great equalized. To bad most of them in this country are to stupid and or lazy to get one, even though it's free!


Well mate, I go to Ucla and im a full time student. while my 2yr scholarship has paid my freshman year and is paying my sophomore year this fall, I do work, on campus, in the one of science department's libraries . Although it dosnt pay equal to or greater than to what you accumulate in a year span, , it looks pretty good on an application when I apply to med school about 2 yrs from now. Get what I'm implying um "homey".

So,you have me beat now of course but, I don't know any middle aged people, such as yourself ,that would boast about making more than a full time college kid.


But if you think you'll be making more than a hematologist 8yrs from now, I'll prepare my "LOL" in the next post. :)

Tony_Soprano
07-23-2011, 04:13 PM
@MrWorker,

Yes I agree with your thought on Africa uniting.
Theyd have quite the super power potential

MrWorker
07-23-2011, 05:36 PM
Its a shame there dont have the brains for it. There all want to be bosses thats why theres civil wars in every single part of it.

BlackCat
07-23-2011, 06:09 PM
Peace in Africa, like peace in the middle east is sadly utterly unfeasible even without the aid of more developed countries.

It's not a case of not having the brains it's become a way of life that literally can not be understood unless you've been there.

MrWorker
07-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Tony actually what you said about if africa had its resouces it would be great means nothing because Take soviet russia for instance v the nazis. The nazis had all the power in tanks planes equipment trained soldiers ETC. The russians had nothing but torn cloths and 1 rifle between 2 and the one without a rifile had to carry the bullets lol what good is that for the rifleman. But you get my point. The russian had nothing but there destroyed the mighty nazi army. I dont think whos got the bigger stick means nothing really. You see spirit always outsmarts the sword.

Solong as you are patriotic and you are proud to fight to the death for your nation then nothing can win against that. Because you cant exactly win against an army that dosnt surrender. take the french foreign legion for instance No surrender and the british ghurkas just a few.

Tony_Soprano
07-23-2011, 10:52 PM
Peace in Africa, like peace in the middle east is sadly utterly unfeasible even without the aid of more developed countries.

It's not a case of not having the brains it's become a way of life that literally can not be understood unless you've been there.

I agree in full with this comment!

Tony_Soprano
07-23-2011, 10:54 PM
@MrWorker,

You've never given me a legit reason for hating the Queen of England.
You've Only expressed your thoughts on how she "like her chips(fries) cook".Lol

So what are they?:)

MrWorker
07-24-2011, 12:23 AM
I want a strong leader who is proud of the country and most of all FOR the poor working class people of england. Over the rich ''Nobles' or immagrants'. Everytime the national anthem comes on which is all about ''HER'' she just yawns and looks away. She must think shes gods gift or something. Honestly if there is one type of people i cant stand its arogant greedy people. I have NO IDEA why god created people like that. At the end of the day i didnt ask to be born but aye i am and i will have my views on things. No body can stop me.


My motherland is my religion. My motherland is god and we must defend it to the death tony that way we will have eternal peace and rest. England belongs to the english tony. NOT A GERMAN NAZI QUEEN ! and the devil religion that comes banging on our day

Tony_Soprano
07-24-2011, 02:04 AM
I want a strong leader who is proud of the country and most of all FOR the poor working class people of england. Over the rich ''Nobles' or immagrants'. Everytime the national anthem comes on which is all about ''HER'' she just yawns and looks away. She must think shes gods gift or something. Honestly if there is one type of people i cant stand its arogant greedy people. I have NO IDEA why god created people like that. At the end of the day i didnt ask to be born but aye i am and i will have my views on things. No body can stop me.


My motherland is my religion. My motherland is god and we must defend it to the death tony that way we will have eternal peace and rest. England belongs to the english tony. NOT A GERMAN NAZI QUEEN ! and the devil religion that comes banging on our day

Yes we all acknowledge that" England belongs to the English and it's fellow citizens who reside there", but she is the Queen. She was given it by God threw "Divine Right" and challenging that wouldn't be logical ,nor in moral right , to do so.

Yes you may disagree with her judgments but everyone disagrees with everyone at times.The Queen of England has more then just the power and opportunity intricate her "2cents" in UK decisions, but posses the ability to have the country act " in a heart beat at the point of a finger".But she relatively refrains from political involvement and let's those,elected BY THE PEOPLE for the most part, make collective decisions that conclude positive results for the for the majority of the population as well as better outcomes for the UK.

AZMA
07-24-2011, 06:30 AM
1 Russia 10,540,000[4] 12.01% 2011
2 Saudi Arabia 8,800,000[5] 11.59% 2011
3 United States 7,800,000[6] 10.75% 2011

As you can look this up for your self. The US is number 3 in production of oil. The problem is we use 10mil a day and to make matters worse we are not using our own. Its all greed. I can show you all day long. As far as the dollar we print too much which causes it not to gain and we import a whole lot more than export which weakens the dollar. The US used to produce 10 million barrels a day but its been declining every year oil does run out. The middle east is in decline them selves. China imports more oil than anyone else in the world. We in fact have more reserves here than anywhere in the world besides Canada who wont tap either. The oil in the middle east is considered top quality oil. Venezuela who by the way they are at .12 yes 12 cents a gallon but its oil its considered of less quality than the middle east meaning it costs more to refine it. You pay more for water than gas in Venezuela. I am not saying gas needs to drop like that but there is no reason for gas not to be around 2.00 dollars a gallon. With the technology shipping is faster and safer and should not be more expensive except that greed runs that as well. The same goes for drilling. Things would not be as bad if we would work with what is fair and reasonable. As long as greed rules the world we will be in the same boat we are now heading for even worst things to come. Things continue to rise in price without a real reason why. Use common sense if its wrong maybe its because it is.

AZMA
07-24-2011, 06:58 AM
mrworker, tell me one thing what the hell good ever came out of africe?
many cultures have given us art humanities medicine literature science, nothing good has ever come out of africe, cannabilism aids genocide, etc, that's what you get from there! prove me wrong!


Your comments are full of ignorance. The empire of Egypt from Africa was responsible for modern teachings passed to the western world. The concept of Pi as well as Geometric formulas came from there. You think the pyramids and other architecture fell from the sky lol.

Ghana was the provider of gold to many countries in Europe before the discovery Of America. Ghana was so advance they actually taxed the gold and anything imported and exported out of the country. Besides Ghana there was Mali and Songhai. They all had established governments many with teaching that got incorporated into western civilization.

What you see today is not what was intended by African ancestors rather the Religious and racism we witness today brought on by ignorance,greed and the never ending ego.

There is more but I don' want to turn this into school time.

MrWorker
07-24-2011, 11:25 AM
So tony are you saying we are born to be slaves to god and THE QUEEN. i dont think so son This is why i hate religion because it says weve gotta submit FUCK Submitting i didnt ask to be born and i certainly didnt ask to be a a slave and i never will do. Oh yeah and since youve said the queen is there by the grace of god that also means YOUR god put HITLER AND STALIN in power if you believe that.

Its seems YOUR god is more for the rich then he is poor. We need a national revolution. Someone WHOS FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE.

Tony_Soprano
07-24-2011, 03:08 PM
1 Russia 10,540,000[4] 12.01% 2011
2 Saudi Arabia 8,800,000[5] 11.59% 2011
3 United States 7,800,000[6] 10.75% 2011

As you can look this up for your self. The US is number 3 in production of oil. The problem is we use 10mil a day and to make matters worse we are not using our own. Its all greed. I can show you all day long. As far as the dollar we print too much which causes it not to gain and we import a whole lot more than export which weakens the dollar. The US used to produce 10 million barrels a day but its been declining every year oil does run out. The middle east is in decline them selves. China imports more oil than anyone else in the world. We in fact have more reserves here than anywhere in the world besides Canada who wont tap either. The oil in the middle east is considered top quality oil. Venezuela who by the way they are at .12 yes 12 cents a gallon but its oil its considered of less quality than the middle east meaning it costs more to refine it. You pay more for water than gas in Venezuela. I am not saying gas needs to drop like that but there is no reason for gas not to be around 2.00 dollars a gallon. With the technology shipping is faster and safer and should not be more expensive except that greed runs that as well. The same goes for drilling. Things would not be as bad if we would work with what is fair and reasonable. As long as greed rules the world we will be in the same boat we are now heading for even worst things to come. Things continue to rise in price without a real reason why. Use common sense if its wrong maybe its because it is.

Everything you've just expressed was stated in my first post of this thread and my detailed posts on " import-exports"," oil regions","closet market First theory",Ect followed after. Basically, I pretty much addressed everything but I'm assuming you didn't read my much earlier Posts. Also, I've stated WHY the government won't tap into their reserves, it's the "powers that be" that prevent U.S. From doing so and it protects their investments as well. It's pretty much a theory of, "letting everyone else use up what they have and in the end, we will have what others refused to save".
The only topic I haven't addressed was the "unemployment causes" but I'm graciously awaiting patiently for someone to comment bring it up or I'll Adress it myself in full.

But Greed is Greed and the only way to stop it "collective Greed", without tainting the "American dream", is threw anti trust laws.

BlackCat
07-24-2011, 05:38 PM
Only god can take a life that's what you said MrWorker and "only god can judge me" isn't that what you claim? So how do you think god will judge you after you destroy Mecca and Jerusalem?

Favorably.....or not?

MrWorker
07-24-2011, 08:21 PM
Jerusalam and mecca are ment to be places of peace and holyness it seems PEOPLE yet again have become fanatical about there religions have caused wars because of it through out the years its been nothing but a pathetic battle ground

Maybe it needs a nuclear bomb on top of it so that it can have peace once and for all

MrWorker
07-24-2011, 08:51 PM
Look iam only kidding about bombing jeruslem and mecca. But religious fanatics annoy me just as much as what militant atheists do.

God is good NOT cruel. In religious books it shows him as cruel . No human mind can understand god. Religious books are childish to an extent and there have nothing but hate in them expecially the old testatment take muslims for example blowing things up because some arsool wrote a book he thinks all the stories are true.

I believe in god BUT not religion

BlackCat
07-24-2011, 09:24 PM
"My religion is my country i keep saying it"......"I believe in god BUT not religion"

I don't get it...you don't believe in your country? What kind of patriot is that?

You can't accuse me of twisting your words either, those are direct quotes from the two.....je ne sais pas ce que above.

young_7
07-24-2011, 09:29 PM
dis is real cant rewind time so

MrWorker
07-24-2011, 11:13 PM
Yeah ive already explained. Religion and god are different. Religion is a creed of your culture or heritage. Believeing in god is your personal choice.

I believe in god and my country is my religion understand now.?

And i was talking about the god abrahamic people follow. I follow my own god who created everything and everybody equal If we suffer harships in this life its nothing compared of the rewards we get in heaven.
i believe in 3 simple things.
- Give thanks
- Repnt sins
- Try your best to be a good person.
You can do these however and when ever you please to.

My religion is the religion of peace.


if you think i would seriously bomb anywhere let alone jerusalem or mecca then you are totally wrong lol i would never do anything like that. i said that out of anger because religious fanatics are just as bad as what atheists militants are.

iamdeathy
07-24-2011, 11:27 PM
they ar rising due to the loss of oil. as there is less it costs more to get it out of the ground. because it is more expensive the companies put prices up so as not to lose profit. this will get worse as we are running out of oil.

Tony_Soprano
07-25-2011, 04:17 AM
@MrWorker,

So Referring back to your theory on "supporting the poor".
Do you think that an full effort of this would end poverty?

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 09:36 AM
Tony you still havent answered my question so iam not answering yours untill you answere mine.

You said that YOUR god put the queen in charge Well if you believe that then your god also put hitler and stalin in charge and all the other mass murderers.

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 12:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvM7CJAoYT4

THIS IS the sort of leader england needs. ( Even though its a game ) Its true we need a Patriotic leader who puts the BRITISH WOKKING CLASS FIRST

Tony_Soprano
07-25-2011, 02:40 PM
Tony you still havent answered my question so iam not answering yours untill you answere mine.

You said that YOUR god put the queen in charge Well if you believe that then your god also put hitler and stalin in charge and all the other mass murderers.


No. There is an obvious yet distinct difference amongst the 3. And, I thought, what I implied eariler made it clear to you.

Well,Stalin and Hitler were voted into power "by the people". Infact, its was the working class in Germany and a respectable percentile of the Russian working class as well. and then Hitler solidified himself as dictator.
"Divine Right" is ordained selection of leaders threw God. That's how the queen received her Power.

That's why I specifically included the term "Devine Right", when pertaining to Monarchs.!:)


Now I think it's time we talk about a new subject.

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 03:01 PM
Countrys should be led by the working class people. Why does the queen have to be in power what as she ever done to deserve that position ?. Rich people dont understand why the working class are angry. Rich people are ok there live in fancy big houses with security guards with millions in the bank incase anything goes wrong there live in quiet areas far away from the industrial areas. and the rich are ignorant against anybody whos lower class then them

Working class dont have any jobs about because of immagrants taking them etc there live in poverty high crime rate and basically nobody cares about them. and if there do get a job there have to work like mad really hard then at the end of the week there getpaid and because of the rising bills all the money goes on bills and there hardly any left to save up or by food.

You see people should work to live NOT live to work . but these days people seem to living to work. thanks to the dirty rich greddy bankers.

We should hang these rich people

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 03:07 PM
Britian should have a nationalist revolution. Kick the queen and the rich people out of power. the british working people take power THEN we start our holy Christian british empire.

BlackCat
07-25-2011, 05:51 PM
"Why does the queen have to be in power what as she ever done to deserve that position" MrWorker........you do know how the Monarchy works yes? It's a hereditary system, so I suppose to answer your question she didn't do anything to deserve the position. But if thats the case then neither did Victoria, Elizabeth the first or Henry the fifth. Arguably three of Englands greatest monarchs.

So after your revolution who is going to lead the country, a country needs a leader so that those who aren't in power have someone to blame.

gangsterbean25
07-25-2011, 06:14 PM
Yeah I got an idea lets brake their heads

BlackCat
07-25-2011, 07:56 PM
So you can end up dead or in a prison-camp under MrWorkers new world order? Good idea.

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 08:09 PM
Absolutley we can start a nationalist revolution. The NEW king will be a patriot who puts the british working class first. Because lets face it its the working class that is the country.

the ONLY religions that will be aloud under the christians british empire. Will be.

SIKHISM
JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY.

Sikhs are patriotic and love this country as much as i do or any other nationalist british person. So sikhs will have honour in the new nationalist state Sikhs fight for this country and are the most patriotic so there deserve respect. Some sikhs have joined the british national party and the EDL. THATS how patriotic there are. All HAIL THE SIKHS. Maximum respect.

BlackCat
07-25-2011, 08:20 PM
So you're going to get rid of the monarch to replace her with a monarch? Am I the only person who thinks that's a blatantly stupid idea?

How are you going to make sure this new monarch remains a patriot?

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 08:28 PM
So you're going to get rid of the monarch to replace her with a monarch? Am I the only person who thinks that's a blatantly stupid idea?

How are you going to make sure this new monarch remains a patriot?

I have not said anything against a monarch I HAVE said something about the queen. The queen is a traitor and must be gone england deserves and expects better. Thats why we will put a nationalist person as king and if there not fit for the job then ill be king someones gotta be I KNOW exactly what needs to be done

BlackCat
07-25-2011, 09:08 PM
I had a feeling you'dbe a candidate for the position.

MrWorker as much as I love you as another human being I do have a very strong suspicion you were dropped on your head as a child, the monarch is the queen, or rather the queen is the monarch. Monarch just means ruler.

MrWorker
07-25-2011, 11:44 PM
Yeah duuhhh lol are you reading anything that iam writing ?. Its good we have a monarch i want a monarch BUT a patriotic monarch who isnt a posh git and someone who puts the working class first. The current queen only cares about herself and his a traitor to the country

Tony_Soprano
07-26-2011, 12:07 AM
So you're going to get rid of the monarch to replace her with a monarch? Am I the only person who thinks that's a blatantly stupid idea?

How are you going to make sure this new monarch remains a patriot?

Ummm yeah MrWorer, that's too idealistic

BlackCat
07-26-2011, 09:23 AM
Well yes I am reading what you've said. And desperately trying to make sense out of it, I mean first of all you say you're going to throw the queen and all the rich people out of power then you change your mind and decided to have her replaced with a patriotic king. I mean presumably after your revolution you're going to abolish the monarchy? It worked for Cromwell afterall......kind of. And that's aside from all the religious intolerance.

Is that who you are MrWorker? A modern day Oliver Cromwell, or have you just watched V for vendetta one too many times?

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 10:59 AM
YES get rid of the current queen for a new fresh patriotic king or queen who puts the poor first. It isnt that hard to understand that backcat.

Tony_Soprano
07-26-2011, 02:45 PM
@MrWorker,

How do we know this "patriotic king" devote allegiance to the poor after being exposed to "the coperate corrupt"?

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 02:55 PM
What lol?. Obviously hes gonna be monitored and closly watched. And we will know that he is devoted because all his attention will be on the poor getting them out of poverty and everyone will have a job everyone will work.

BlackCat
07-26-2011, 04:52 PM
It is hard to understand when you try and have it make sense. The British monarchy is a herediatery system, meaning you're only option once you've deposed the queen is Prince Charles, meaning you can't promote someone from the working class to the position of "king."

I do like that bit about your new king being closely monitored though, reminds me of The Truman Show with Jim Carrey, or maybe Big Brother.

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 07:15 PM
You over exagerate things black cat people like you always do for some reason. Why cant you get rid of the monarch and put a new monarch in charge? why as it got to be the same family.

Not all the royal family is from the same bloodline you know. There all completly different familys. through history. And instead of it been a rich person who leads the country. It should be a working class poor person WHO knows how life really his and what knows what truly needs to be done.

Theres nothing wrong with that. Iam fed up of the rich always getting the glory its about time the hard working class finally was heared.

Out with the south IN WITH THE NORTH

BlackCat
07-26-2011, 08:54 PM
You know what happened the last time the working class was heard? Riots in the streets. You wanna be a hero? A british Che Guevara huh? Savior of the British people that it?

The british royal family have been directly related to each other since William and Mary were ruling.

"Who knows what truly needs to be done" - to achieve what? Freedom and equality. This new king of yours is going to reduce poverty is that right? Maybe he shud start bye makin shure levels of edukation are the same nation wide.


Just sayin'

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 11:07 PM
Yes british people are fed up of the rich bankers and the politicians getting the country into debt that there cant pay back Then its the woking class that as to pay for there rich mess. The working people are angry and there needs to be justice. We need a revolution this time we need to REALLY be heared perhaps an assination may be in order and bombing of political buildings and banks maybe that'll wake them up.

BlackCat
07-26-2011, 11:24 PM
Hey I've got an idea assassinate the queen. Sure you might get in trouble for it but look on the bright side....two birds one stone. Some rich person dies and you don't have to worry about an unpatriotic monarch anymore.

Can you still be executed for treason in the UK?

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 11:32 PM
I think you can for treason yes. So itll be ok to assassinate it because she as traitored the country. So well just call it even. Thats another thing that unfair. If the queen was assassinated the person who did it would be executed but when anyother murder happens the killer only gets a few years. Its like normal people dont matter.

Letssay i came to power.
things ill do.
- Bring back death penalty for murderers peadophiles
- Creat labor camps for common criminals to work all day long.
- Bring back national service
- make the army supirior and great again
- Creat an empire
- kill the rich
- and make england a paradise on earth
- no poverty and everyone works and everyone as a home

Tony_Soprano
07-26-2011, 11:44 PM
I think you can for treason yes. So itll be ok to assassinate it because she as traitored the country. So well just call it even. Thats another thing that unfair. If the queen was assassinated the person who did it would be executed but when anyother murder happens the killer only gets a few years. Its like normal people dont matter.

Letssay i came to power.
things ill do.
- Bring back death penalty for murderers peadophiles
- Creat labor camps for common criminals to work all day long.
- Bring back national service
- make the army supirior and great again
- Creat an empire
- kill the rich
- and make england a paradise on earth
- no poverty and everyone works and everyone as a home


Hmm for the most part, the ideal requirements of "Autocracy" and a future fascist dictator for his country. Assuming you "back what you say 100%", I can graciously call you hypocrite or/and say your contradicting yourself.

Tony_Soprano
07-26-2011, 11:51 PM
"kill the rich"-MrWorker,

Hmm sounds like "Stalin talk".
Now you've defeated your purpose of an "illustrious Empire" that can do more than sustain itself and contradicting yourself by implying "country of communism" when eariler you professed "Anti-Communist" .

MrWorker
07-26-2011, 11:54 PM
Hahaha no iam not contradicting myself. Iam killing the rich and fighting against capitalism and communism. We will be a fascist nation. There different types of fascism. Fascism isnt racism il have you know.

The only religions that will be aloud will be Christianity, Judaism and sikhism. Any atheist that causes trouble or religious nut job will be sent to the gulags. We wont have it in the new imperialist state.

Personnaly i hate certain people. And i wont have them in my country. and anyone who wants to cause trouble about it will be sent to gulags and made to work untill there dead.

Fascism iam talking about is. A kinda communist set up with everyone working and no poverty etc. BUT we will be nationalist NOT socialist and only people with a trade or something to offer will be aloud to stay in the country.

We will be a great nation once more. The leftists need to be re educated and trust me ALOT of people will be re educated hahahaha.

MrWorker
07-27-2011, 12:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH-Xl8kQoI0

The problem is the nazis have giving fascism a bad name BUT THEN AGAIN russia china cuba North korea have given communsm a bad name.

Ifcommunism get a voice then so does fascism

So common comrades lets sng the NEW BRITISH NATIONAL ANTHEM.

Our great soldiers march in spirit with us and all the people who fort to the death for britiain to be great. NEVER SURRENDER TO THE INVADERS like winston churchill said

Tony_Soprano
07-27-2011, 04:16 AM
Iam killing the rich and fighting against capitalism and communism. We will be a fascist nation. There different types of fascism. Fascism isnt racism il have you know.

The only religions that will be aloud will be Christianity, Judaism and sikhism. Any atheist that causes trouble or religious nut job will be sent to the gulags. We wont have it in the new imperialist state.

Personnaly i hate certain people. And i wont have them in my country. and anyone who wants to cause trouble about it will be sent to gulags and made to work untill there dead.

Fascism iam talking about is. A kinda communist set up with everyone working and no poverty etc. BUT we will be nationalist NOT socialist and only people with a trade or something to offer will be aloud to stay in the country.

We will be a great nation once more. The leftists need to be re educated and trust me ALOT of people will be re educated hahahaha.


Ofcourse there are different implementations of social policies into a government but, you've still given me blaint signs of autocracy and communism.

Let's begin with your euphimised communistic ideals:

-"I am killing the rich and fighting against capitalism"-MrWorker
This is the vague sign of "planned economy"
"Planned Economy" expresses an economic system vigorously CONTROLLED by a CENTRAL AUTHORITY and the processing and production are owed by the public. How does your idea and this term correlate? By you decapitating the wealthy and dennouncing capitalism(as well as individualism) and destroying prosperity of wealth via independence and replacing it with unbearable government control.


-"only religons that will be aloud is christianity, judism and skhism"-MrWorker

This is the euphemism for "organized relgion". Organized religion has been implemented by various city states, kingdoms and, what you desperately desire for your future country, Empire(s). The term "organized religion" speaks for itself. It's the consequences that make it obserd. Such as cutting off hands and arms for caught reading an foreign religious manual-exemplified by the late Roman Empire and Mongolian Emipre. We've also knowticed such in communist Russia under stamina "Iron grip" and Facism lead Germany under Hitler's " Panzer Hold".
Recognizing the correlation?:)


"Personnaly i hate certain people. And i wont have them in my country. and anyone who wants to cause trouble about it will be sent to gulags and made to work untill there dead."-MrWokrer

Hmm "dictator random violence" happens in pretty much any government strangled by a Dictator. Do I have to elaborate the obvious ? I hope not


"Any atheist or religious nut job will be sent to the gulags."MrWorker
"Planned State persecution" is the term for this one . It means that the government obtains a selective list of persons based ,on certain criteria, to eradicate in full for certain reasons( dictator's reason).
Pretty much exemplified in Facism and communism.

-"no poverty everyone works and has a home"-MrWorker
Umm SO VAGUE but so socialism! Didn't rhym? No.. Okay well let's finish :)
"Socialism" proclaims a political and economic theory of social organization. Thus supporting the focus of PRODUCTION( including jobs), DISTRIBUTION(including houses and items), and exchange should be owned or regulated by the Central Authority.I think you see the similarity.

-"Brijg back national service"-MrWorker
Wow you have the Nationalism that is used in both communism and fascism. Nothing wrong with nationalism though:)
But we also have "populism". A populist advocates the interests of labor and farmers,a graduated income tax, and government control of monopolies. Yeah nothing wrong with anti trust acts but if the strangle on businesses are to heavy, as examplified in once fascist italy, you loose support from benefactors that keep your country from growing stagnant!



Getting the drift so far ?:)

MrWorker
07-27-2011, 10:38 AM
Haha that was quite funny tony. But you cant cherry pick certain parts. I did justify what i said. Fascism is a political system like communism and capitalism is. We are fascist. its basically communism without the socialism. We are nationalist not socialist. Only people that can offer the country a trade etc can be aloud to stay withing the country And fascism is for the poor working class and leaders of the country should be elected by merit not by social class or richness. And we have our own industries we only bother about ourselves we dont get involved in other countrys business.

Facsism is the ideal political movement

The_Black_Cat
07-27-2011, 10:45 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i missed this......

MrWorker
07-27-2011, 11:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdalvQMcPO0

In a nutshell this is everything iam trying to explain.

Fascism is the way forward

Tony_Soprano
07-27-2011, 06:43 PM
@MrWorker,

So this first and only election process will only have candidates based off of Intellectual prowess and "right moral" fluency?

So, what happens when this person elected dies? Will hey be able to announce a successor or will there be a new vote? What happens if at some point of his regin, he becomes il- tempered and less liked by his country.Will ANOTHER revolution be needed? Could such or any economy sustain itself will total anarchy abroad?

Tony_Soprano
07-27-2011, 06:49 PM
Haha that was quite funny tony. But you cant cherry pick certain parts. I did justify what i said. Fascism is a political system like communism and capitalism is. We are fascist. its basically communism without the socialism. We are nationalist not socialist. Only people that can offer the country a trade etc can be aloud to stay withing the country And fascism is for the poor working class and leaders of the country should be elected by merit not by social class or richness. And we have our own industries we only bother about ourselves we dont get involved in other countrys business.

Facsism is the ideal political movement

Hand pic? No. I simply used what was provided for me and exposed your euphemisms, for the correct social policies, of communism and fascism. :)

BlackCat
07-27-2011, 06:56 PM
I didn't know Fascism was such an isolationist policy.

The Nazi party technically speaking wasn't fascist it was, or at least attempted to be politically syncretic, that is to say it incorporated views from both the political left and right as evidenced by it's name. However history is ever written by the victor and so the national socialist party became fascist.

MrWorker
07-27-2011, 11:39 PM
National socialists party had a fascist political system.

Fascism is a political system like Communism or capitalism. Facism is in the middle of the two.

And if the leader of the country went crazy then he ofocurse would have to be kicked out and replaced tony

Tony_Soprano
07-28-2011, 01:04 AM
@MrWorker,
Hmm I still cant see your "New Country" thriving nor surviving.
So explain please :)

Maybe there is something in economic plan you may know,obviously, that I don't

MrWorker
07-28-2011, 11:05 AM
Economy wise:
We will protect the wild life birds, Foxes etc cruelty against animals of any kind. If people are cruel against animals then there will be sent to the gulags aswell. Animal life is worth more than human life. We will protect the forests and tress. and we will have more electrical wind turbines and solar panels And we will only have a few nuclear power plants. 1 power plant in every county. We will make up from it with solar panels and wind turbines farms everywhere in the sea and on the countryside.

And We wont use money. money wont exist. Instead we will have reward points kinda the harder someone works the more rewards there get. And if someone is patriotic to the country then there will work for it, everyone will work for there own survival and the countrys survival.

You see we mean nothing but our country is everything and we must work and fight to the death for it like ive said our country is our religion and if we work or die for it then we will get eternal piece and rest. We will be invincable.

Our enmies will be re educated

IE
- nazis
- communist
-rich
- leftists
- religious nut jobs / Atheists
- secular humanists
- feminists
- defeatists and cowards
We will have a new religion a nationalist religion and our religion will be our country.

We will not tolerate any religious or atheism extremism

MrWorker
07-28-2011, 04:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-mfrfQCdQ&feature=player_embedded

BlackCat
07-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Secular humanism is bad because? What it rejects religious dogma and enables people to believe what they want so consequently that's bad?

Reward points? I don't even.....I mean what? Seriously...what?!

Tony_Soprano
07-28-2011, 05:50 PM
@MrWorker,

Hmm so when you mean "reward points " you mean "credit"?right?

BlackCat
07-28-2011, 07:55 PM
I imagined these reward points acting more like rationing did to be honest Tony.

But then whilst that would encourage patriotism it could also bring about a class divide, example a god fearing, patriotic, hard working british person would presumably get more reward points than a hard working, god fearing polish person who obviously sees no point in being patriotic towards a country that isn't there own. How do you envisage keeping track of how many reward points any given person has on a national scale?

MrWorker
07-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Use your imagination black cat. Secular humanists are disgusting people. There like the human rights there more for the criminal then there are for the victim. Human rights need to be thrown out along with any leftist securlarists. And its got nothing to do with religion its to do with there point of view i dont like it. Like ive said there more for the criminal then the victim and thats barbaric and wrong. Plus there support abortion. Humanists are disgusting sub human virmin and need to be eradicated along with any other leftist defeatist cowards

** ANY RELIGIOUS OR ATHEIST RADICALS ** that start trouble IN MY homeland will be re educated OR there can get the fuck out. iM NOT HAVING ANY of it in my motherland. The motherland is our religion.

BlackCat
07-28-2011, 08:41 PM
I do use my imagination. I frequently imagine you're a religiously intolerant retard whose ignorance has led to these delusions of grandeur.


But enough about me lets get back to your new world order mein fuhrer. Was I at least right about about the reward points.

Tony_Soprano
07-28-2011, 10:29 PM
** ANY RELIGIOUS OR ATHEIST RADICALS ** that start trouble IN MY homeland will be re educated OR there can get the fuck out. iM NOT HAVING ANY of it in my motherland. The motherland is our religion.

So are you implying that you'll be rewritting educational Books used in schools libraries and putting in your insight on what you deem "acceptable for teachings "?

If so, I'm pretty sure a early chinese Communist ruler named M. Zedong implemented the same ideas of his. Only his book was red and little and was concentrated with communist teachings .

Tony_Soprano
07-28-2011, 10:52 PM
I imagined these reward points acting more like rationing did to be honest Tony.

But then whilst that would encourage patriotism it could also bring about a class divide, example a god fearing, patriotic, hard working british person would presumably get more reward points than a hard working, god fearing polish person who obviously sees no point in being patriotic towards a country that isn't there own. How do you envisage keeping track of how many reward points any given person has on a national scale?

I hope that isn't the case.

@MrWorker
Also establishing such "point system" based on merit issued by "the king" would be hard to do.
You'd would need requirements for points, set the value of each "type" point distributed THEN You'd have to ratify a umm "national Point standard".

Anyways,
Let's say your point system is very valuable in the Global currency echange!
But what happens if all of your citizens of you country decided they want to devote themselves to patriotic acts that will provide them with a large amount of points in let's say 3yrs. Now that three yrs have passed and you and he central authority, based on your merit point requirements, have to issue a oberd amount of "points" to majority of your citizens. Now youve deflated your own currency, increased purchasing costs of items in local business(such as gas food houses), destroyed your import -export cost and so so much more.But,most of all you've decapitated your economy and sent it into a recession or depression.

Also, based on your point system, you cannot graciously borrow currency from china like America on a loan" becuase your currency is somewhat worthless". Nor can you take back all the issued points given to your citizens as theyll have nothing.


Your "merit credit" won't last long

lilscarface2
07-28-2011, 11:12 PM
its this dam government we got. f*** the governmentt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrWorker
07-28-2011, 11:15 PM
How will we have inflation or debt haha.? We will ALL be working for ourselves basically to make the country great there would be no inflation because we dont use money and there will be no debt because we arnt gonna borror money from any one. Dosnt that sound stupid and funny. Take america for instance there in debt with themselve ?? LOL if it was me i would just say fuck the debt we aint paying and noone can do anything about it and if there try we will nuke there assess. And Yes i am intolerent of barbaric alien religions in my country I dont want them in it OK ?. Thats my opinion.

England deserves better so we will create a new religion. A true humble religion of peace. that god is with us to create a paradise on earth and we have to do our duty in order for peace to exist through out the world. We must eradicate crazy radical religions. And bring forth the peace and love of god and country and duty through work and sacrifice.

It will last why wont it ?. Its about patriotism if someone is patriotic and loves there country then there will work for it. everyone as a home so thats taken care of. Thers justice a powerful military respect and honour THATS what everyone wants isnt it ? and thats what we will give and we will prosper

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 12:19 AM
Religion shoudlnt be about you gotta do this you gotta do that. Religion actually goes against what god and jesus said. Jesus knew that religion caused friction so god wanted people to believe in god and try to be good people thats all god wants from everyone.

so the new english religion will be,

- Repent sins
- Give thanks
-Try be a good person.

very simple and we will have churches for people in distress. God is good and great and so is britian

Tony_Soprano
07-29-2011, 02:04 AM
@MrWorker,

So what specifically will this "point system" consist of?lol
Details please

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 06:47 AM
@MrWorker - I'm quite confused. I can see you're attempting to create some sort of religion and some sort of points system? Doesn't one negate the other of what you said? Just looking for clarification...

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 09:28 AM
ive already explained it all youll have to scroll upwards onto the next pages.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 12:16 PM
No, you're talking in circles sir. I have read things "scrolled up." Put it all in ONE post and explain it please. :)

Thanks.