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ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 12:24 AM
personally i dont care for it...but if you wanna believe in whatever someone else is telling you about the existance of the universe then i hope you talkin to like a top notch nasa scientist ot something. haha thoughts comments...

ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 12:24 AM
weres dante at haha

ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 12:26 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 12:29 AM
the soma mushroom is probably where the idea of religion came from...flesh of the gods

MrWorker
07-10-2011, 11:38 AM
what i would do is just cut that mushroom down and eat it.

TheFlamingo
07-10-2011, 03:05 PM
Religion is a personal thing.. There is no right or wrong answer. For now it's about who you are, what you feel and what you choose to believe in.

ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 04:10 PM
exactly...why is so many people always trying to push their beliefs on others?

TheFlamingo
07-10-2011, 04:12 PM
I dunno.. I guess because they think they are right... but since there is no way to prove they are right (or wrong) until after we die, there really is no point in arguing about it.

ShorTerMemory
07-10-2011, 04:15 PM
i think i might hang out with GOD for lunch today...

FrankSinatra
07-10-2011, 04:26 PM
Agnosticism is the only sensible view, really. I consider myself an atheist, but I always label myself an agnostic.

FrankSinatra
07-10-2011, 04:29 PM
And I'm talking about that the existance of any god is "unknowable". I'm talking about that no one knows for sure... yet!

MrWorker
07-10-2011, 04:46 PM
In my view religion and god is different. A religion is more like a creed of your culture or heritage. But believing in god is your own choice. Iam not a religious person, but i believe in god.

FrankSinatra
07-10-2011, 05:00 PM
I do not like religion. Religion often creates very egosentrical mentalities within humans. Religious people have a tendancy to believe god is doing everything for them. If you're being sick, it's always god who sends you to the doctor. Or if you're having trouble lifting some heavy material while building your home, and a few friends happen to pass by. It's always god who sends those friends, so you can get help. In other words, every other humans being than yourself is just there for you. God has used those people to help you, that is their reason to exist.

Everyone is not like this, of course. But everyone is not like anything.

MrWorker
07-10-2011, 05:37 PM
What goes around comes around Everyone helps one another one time you may need the help and that may happen or perhaps one time your passing by and someone needs your help everything works both ways. Ive helped people in the past and ive needed help in return especially on the job that i sometimes do lol

FrankSinatra
07-10-2011, 06:19 PM
Yes, but I'm talking about individuals and their mentality. I'm not saying people don't help each other. I'm saying that religious people have a tendancy to believe god is there for them, and that other people are nothing but god's tools to help you.

BlackCat
07-10-2011, 08:10 PM
You mean as in divine providence.....right?

tank_cwb
07-10-2011, 09:34 PM
for all 420 friendly folks:

Rastafarians use marijuana in religious rituals to enhance their consciousness of the relationship between God, Creation, and the individual soul.
Getting Off Drugs: The Legalization Option, by Walter Wink explains why the views of the Society of Friends (Quakers) favor legalization.
Christians for Cannabis: Judeo-Christian scripture and tradition support the legalization of marijuana.
The Shinto tradition incorporates Hemp in Religion
Stephen Gaskin explores the religious use of marijuana in his book, Cannabis Spirituality.

MrWorker
07-11-2011, 12:53 AM
'Frank'

People are like that but thats just called selfishness and ignorance. Its got nothing to do with the religion. religion teaches to put people before yourself. It may be the guys mentality but that particular guy is going against what religion tells him. :).

Religion is for guidence

Dixie
07-11-2011, 06:19 AM
In my view religion and god is different. A religion is more like a creed of your culture or heritage. But believing in god is your own choice. Iam not a religious person, but i believe in god.

Choice being the keyword here. My feelings exactly. :)

teagan
07-11-2011, 06:24 AM
hello
WAZZUP

toodles
07-11-2011, 02:48 PM
I can tell you that I know there is a god based on a near death incident. You can be whatever you want to be and no one is really shoving anything down your throat. Thats just a bunch of nonsense. What you know of this universe is so miniscule that to even say your world is sensible makes no sense. You shouldnt even start a topic like this unless you have the capacity for intelligent verbiage on the subject because you discredit whatever it is you are which is just out to lunch.

zeemafi
07-11-2011, 03:10 PM
because im a paki

ShorTerMemory
07-11-2011, 04:07 PM
lol all this coming from a person named toodles...

FrankSinatra
07-11-2011, 07:05 PM
toodles, near death incidents prove nothing. I would rather visit a therapist if I were you... near death experiences and flashback are our brains' way of searching for a similar scenarios from which it can get information from. If you're in a car accident, your brain will scan through all your memories, trying to find a similar incident.

My grandmother believes in god, because she has "proof". She claims she has been contaced by god himself. I don't like this. Why should people who hear voices in their head be considered mentally unstable, when people who hear god in their head are completely normal. You're a case for psychologists, I'm sad to say. We know very little about the universe, yes. But I'd rather base my views upon science, rather than those of the dark Middle Ages.

And who are you to tell us that we have not sufficient intelligence to start a thread like this? If it weren't for scepticism, we would see no progression. No questions, no answers.

And to that 420 cannabis crap. Rastafarians didnt invent the drug. I dont care why they use it, cause Im not a Rastafarian

MrWorker
07-11-2011, 08:21 PM
Frank.

If people believe their have been contacted by god and their have hope for it etc. Then why take that away from them ? For all you know maybe their have been contacted by god. Maybe near death expirences prove nothing to you frank but to people who have had near death expirences if there see god then its been proven to them. Ive said it loads of times god is a personal relationship between you and god.

Also if your atheist then you shouldnt care either way so why doe it bother you ? If you dont care ofcourse.

BlackCat
07-11-2011, 09:11 PM
I'd love to live in your world MrWorker where everything is so clear cut. You either believe in god or not and if you don't you're wrong. In your opinion, right fanatic you huh?

Tony_Soprano
07-11-2011, 10:16 PM
toodles, near death incidents prove nothing. I would rather visit a therapist if I were you... near death experiences and flashback are our brains' way of searching for a similar scenarios from which it can get information from. If you're in a car accident, your brain will scan through all your memories, trying to find a similar incident.

My grandmother believes in god, because she has "proof". She claims she has been contaced by god himself. I don't like this. Why should people who hear voices in their head be considered mentally unstable, when people who hear god in their head are completely normal. You're a case for psychologists, I'm sad to say. We know very little about the universe, yes. But I'd rather base my views upon science, rather than those of the dark Middle Ages.

And who are you to tell us that we have not sufficient intelligence to start a thread like this? If it weren't for scepticism, we would see no progression. No questions, no answers.

And to that 420 cannabis crap. Rastafarians didnt invent the drug. I dont care why they use it, cause Im not a Rastafarian

Frank...frank...umm frank,

I don't even know where to being my focus with you as you havent stated Anything meaningful proving God isn't in existence. Moreover,Toodles is somewhat right" if you haven't any basic knowledge or keen focus of what your proclaiming or questioning,then your comments aren't sufficient to answer anything".thus getting everyone no where.
It's like asking a Liberal arts major to sufficiently address questions on Astrophysics. He needs to do some research first:)


Also,
Yes your grandmother may of heard her voices but who is science to say that she didn't hear God.
You base your facts/views on science but, science cannot answer everything. It's very logic cannot sufficiently answer simple things"what is buildings are deemed beautiful or not" nor can science can tell you" what is a literary masterpiece and what is rubbish" now can it. These things are answered by SIMPLISTIC personal opinions and "beliefs" . So what makes you so sure that science can answer something so complex as proving a higher(God) improbable.

Finally you state something legit ad well as something One can agree too
"we no little of the universe".

This is undeniably true

But the scientific community does undeniably embrace the true theory of "rational intelligibility of the Universe".
It is very complex in understand as well as meaning itself but it somewhat means you must have faith before you can believe before you can prove something.
"without rational intelligibility of the universe , you CANNOT DO SCIENCE at all."

"Faith/belief is key in all things"

Tony_Soprano
07-11-2011, 10:25 PM
And as I gazed around this thread and reading comments.
Everything stated are "just comments" and no real focus here.
People can believe what they want. No one is forcing anyone to systematically believe anything. :)
But when you make senseless yet artificial attacks by saying that God is improbable and couldn't exists, that's when you better do like Toodles wants everyone to do which is get knowledgable in an topic,
and prepare to make sufficient answers with facts to meet highly focused questions so that there is at least satisfactory progress in a potential debate :)


But this thread is labelled religion and that's broad .

BlackCat
07-11-2011, 10:37 PM
Faith and belief are two seperate things.

Faith is the belief in supernatural being/beings with control over human destiny.
Belief is a religious doctrine proclaimed true without proof. Such as the existence of god.

Saying god does exist is just as improbable as saying he doesn't exist. It can't be proved either way wouldn't you say tony?

Tony_Soprano
07-11-2011, 10:44 PM
Faith and belief are two seperate things.

Faith is the belief in supernatural being/beings with control over human destiny.
Belief is a religious doctrine proclaimed true without proof. Such as the existence of god.

Saying god does exist is just as improbable as saying he doesn't exist. It can't be proved either way wouldn't you say tony?

Correct BlackCat.
God's existence isn't irrational nor improbable.

And I never said nor implied that faith and belief are exactly the same. But I did imply "one comes before the other".

But back to your question yes:)

BlackCat
07-11-2011, 10:56 PM
Well obviously........faith came first.

So you're agreeing that god is just as likely to exist as not, since that is what was asked.

Tony_Soprano
07-11-2011, 11:02 PM
Well obviously........faith came first.

So you're agreeing that god is just as likely to exist as not, since that is what was asked.


No no no.
I'm saying that God DOES exist!
Im Christian . I believe in god.

I answered your question saying that gods existence isn't irrational nor is it improbable.

I believe god exist !
My asnwer was saying that
"non believers cannot rule out gods existence "

BlackCat
07-11-2011, 11:08 PM
That isn't the question I asked though. I asked god is as likely to not exist as exist wouldn't you agree. You said yes. Now you've changed your and decided god probably does exist.

Contradiction much?
I'm done.

MrWorker
07-11-2011, 11:16 PM
I'd love to live in your world MrWorker where everything is so clear cut. You either believe in god or not and if you don't you're wrong. In your opinion, right fanatic you huh?

'Black cat'

I dont know what you mean ?

Tony_Soprano
07-11-2011, 11:19 PM
That isn't the question I asked though. I asked god is as likely to not exist as exist wouldn't you agree. You said yes. Now you've changed your and decided god probably does exist.

Contradiction much?
I'm done.



I actually LOLed and spilt my drink on my damn floor.hahaha

See everyone, that's is why when your given a "yes or no" question,. You always answer it in full.
Why?
For this very reason of confusion.
BlackCat graciously waited for me to just give an "yes " in a attempt to reverse my statement and make it seem as if I was contradicting myself. And when I gave her a full response, she couldn't make it look 100% contradicting on my behalf So she added "I'm done".

Let the evidence show that I made my point of view clear with my response in this very thread.

Once again blackcat, I think you were trying to get revenge from last thread I caught you contradicting logic :)
Not on my watch though. ;)

Lol I still love you blackcat :p
But

ShorTerMemory
07-12-2011, 12:54 AM
lol i knew this would get people going...

BlackCat
07-12-2011, 07:33 AM
Uh tony I went to bed....what am i supposed to be getting revenge for? The thread that you want me to read and I haven't? Why? I've not,and won't read the thread.

BlackCat
07-12-2011, 07:38 AM
Sorry MrWorker that was unfair of me, I thought it was just you but I recently learnt it applies to all christians equally. You'll have to forgive me.

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 10:46 AM
Sorry MrWorker that was unfair of me, I thought it was just you but I recently learnt it applies to all christians equally. You'll have to forgive me.

I still dont know what you mean. Are you trying to tell me something ?

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 10:56 AM
Its the 12 of july people YEAH fooking have it.



Not all atheists are like this but a big majority are.

Me personnally i dont like Militant atheists much there as bad as radicals in religion. I dont like them not because there dont believe in god, but just because there generally ignorant and have no clue and think there right. How ignorant can a human get just look at a militant atheist.

Iam not religious. but i do believe in god. and if someone bad mouths it obviously iam gonna defend my position. An if you atheist arnt bothered about religion in the first place then why do you moan on and on and on about it ? Its you militant atheists that are radicals no one else. all religious people do is defend there faith from you who will take it. and if there do defend it then you call them radicals.

Isit only me or am i the only one who is realistic about this.

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 11:02 AM
Its the 12 of july people YEAH fooking have it.



Not all atheists are like this but a big majority are.

Me personnally i dont like Militant atheists much there as bad as radicals in religion. I dont like them not because there dont believe in god, but just because there generally ignorant and have no clue and think there right. How ignorant can a human get just look at a militant atheist.

Iam not religious. but i do believe in god. and if someone bad mouths it obviously iam gonna defend my position. An if you atheist arnt bothered about religion in the first place then why do you moan on and on and on about it ? Its you miitan atheists that are radicals no one else. all religious people do is defend there faith from you who will take it. and if there do defend it then you call them radicals.

Isit only me or am i the only one who is realistic about this.

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 03:12 PM
Like ive aleady said. Religion and god is different. Religion is more like a creed of you culture or heritage. But believing in god is your choice.

I'am not religious. But i do believe in god.

I believe that god wants people to live their lives how their want to live them. But Give thanks and repent your sins thats all god wants.

Jesus said that religions cause war ( Well People do ). So he said that god should be a way of life and NOT a RELIGION.

Basically.

Live you life how you want to live it but give thanks, repent your sins and try your best to be a good person theres no right or wrong way to do anything.

God dosn't want robots.

dnj12345
07-12-2011, 06:12 PM
i hate it when mormons come to my door i say i lready have a religion so no thank you but i need one of the signs that say i have my religion you have yours etc

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 07:14 PM
i hate it when mormons come to my door i say i lready have a religion so no thank you but i need one of the signs that say i have my religion you have yours etc

Haha i never get mormons. I usually get jehovah witnesses

MrWorker
07-12-2011, 07:26 PM
Why dont you become a mormon dnj lol ?

Attitude_Adjuster
07-14-2011, 10:45 AM
Some mormons or JWs don't take no for an answer, they persist. I'll make up some excuse to not have stuff thrown at me. Still one of my closest friends is a JW so not all Witnesses are "bible bashers".

MrWorker
07-14-2011, 10:56 AM
Ive got a cousin whos a JW. He used to be a drunk though and decided he needed to turn is life around and he became a JW.

Iam glad he did that JW really is just another sect of christianity really.

Kidd_Blaze
07-15-2011, 03:33 AM
Athiesm is a joke. They do Nothing to further society. Who do you see always feeding the poor? Christians. Giving the homeless places to eat on Sundays and offering them assistance? Christians. I used to be a Athiest, until I looked deep down and though about the true meaning of human life. To help others, care for others as you would yourself.. Even the bible speaks about that. I mean.. Human's are the only intelligent life forms known to man. We have NO recorded records of Aliens( all those sightnings/most of them have been confirmed as hoaxes/hallucinations. Go to his website. godandscience.com. It's ridiculously the most inspiring site I've ever seen on the web. It shows every possible belief for the existence of god, and answers Every question that Atheists have asked on the site. That site currently has the biggest reputation of transforming atheists into Christians or at least believers in a god/a higher being. The creator of that site was a pure Atheist in his early life/ a mathematician/astro chemist/and scientist. I mean, if you think deeply about human's you'd know that since human's came on the face of the Earth they believed/worshiped some form of higher being. The world really is getting horrible. It went from Cannibalism to Paganism to Atheism. In the last century alone there were more killings/wars than any other time in recorded human history. Also more evil with pornography and all the other evil plagues that hit the world. Hitler, the rise of dictators etc etc. Point is atheism and it's beliefs are a joke. Coming for a Ex: Atheist now christian. No wonder 2.4billion people are Christians in this world. And china isn't atheist. It's evil community leaders are who force it upon the citizens.

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 03:52 AM
@Kidd_Blaze

Happy your views on God and his Existance has changed in favor of belief :)

Tony_Soprano
07-15-2011, 03:53 AM
@BlackCat,

All the last post on the thread really said was I respect you and wasn't going to bash you.
That's all :)

ShorTerMemory
07-15-2011, 06:00 AM
hahahahahha...this is working great

BlackCat
07-15-2011, 08:01 AM
I got a couple of questions 1) what's with the whole no coveting thy neighbours ass thing? My neighbours ass is damn fine. Also 2) the whole no worshipping false idols? Is god jelly?

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 09:10 AM
Athiesm is a joke. They do Nothing to further society. Who do you see always feeding the poor? Christians. Giving the homeless places to eat on Sundays and offering them assistance? Christians. I used to be a Athiest, until I looked deep down and though about the true meaning of human life. To help others, care for others as you would yourself.. Even the bible speaks about that. I mean.. Human's are the only intelligent life forms known to man. We have NO recorded records of Aliens( all those sightnings/most of them have been confirmed as hoaxes/hallucinations. Go to his website. godandscience.com. It's ridiculously the most inspiring site I've ever seen on the web. It shows every possible belief for the existence of god, and answers Every question that Atheists have asked on the site. That site currently has the biggest reputation of transforming atheists into Christians or at least believers in a god/a higher being. The creator of that site was a pure Atheist in his early life/ a mathematician/astro chemist/and scientist. I mean, if you think deeply about human's you'd know that since human's came on the face of the Earth they believed/worshiped some form of higher being. The world really is getting horrible. It went from Cannibalism to Paganism to Atheism. In the last century alone there were more killings/wars than any other time in recorded human history. Also more evil with pornography and all the other evil plagues that hit the world. Hitler, the rise of dictators etc etc. Point is atheism and it's beliefs are a joke. Coming for a Ex: Atheist now christian. No wonder 2.4billion people are Christians in this world. And china isn't atheist. It's evil community leaders are who force it upon the citizens.

I Totally agree with you mate

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 09:19 AM
However I believe that theres aliens out there they's got to be really. theres more gallaxys out they then every single grain of sand on the earth and within that theys billions of stars. So i believe that theres other life in the unniverse maybe like us or more inteliigent. BUT i believe god created them created everthing !

God is the creator of the unniverse, all its rocks and all the life forms in it.

Think about our planet for instance. weve got a moon to put a magnet pull on our planet to stable our tides and to light the night sky. plus much more stuff. We are in the exact right place to have life the sun is exactly right. EVERYTHING is perfect where we are. But a rock cannot grow into a human. once god created the unniverse then the planet he would have created his sons and daughters (us) including the dinosours and all the other animals before humans ofcourse.

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 11:15 AM
Everybody can believe whatever there want to. Just people need to stop going about sayng somebody is wrong or this and that nobody knows the truth untill we die.

Like ive said i believe in god but iam not religious.

I dont have a problem with atheists or any other religion. ONLY the extremists

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Black CAT would you ever strap a bomb to your self in the name of the cosmos ?

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 08:41 PM
* i was pretty drunk and quite angry *

BlackCat
07-15-2011, 09:10 PM
Why would the cosmos ever require me to strap a bomb to myself?

MrWorker
07-15-2011, 10:00 PM
Why would the cosmos ever require me to strap a bomb to myself?

You tell me you think you know all the answeres

BlackCat
07-15-2011, 10:39 PM
Well it wouldn't would it.

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 06:50 PM
Well yeah it would actually. Space blows up every minute. So it may be in your religion to blow yourself up like the big bang.

BlackCat
07-16-2011, 07:07 PM
I don't follow any religion. So I'm not about to blow myself up like the big bang.

MrWorker
07-16-2011, 10:12 PM
What do you actually do apart from exist. You must believe in something.

Smith4Life
07-17-2011, 12:06 AM
WEEEEE
MrH. Easy bud. ;)

BlackCat
07-17-2011, 12:13 PM
People. I believe in people.

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 07:14 PM
People LOL. believe in people thats a joke.

BlackCat
07-17-2011, 07:44 PM
Really? Why? Believing in people is many times more realistic (can't think of the word in english) than the belief in an absentee spiritual father figure.

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 10:17 PM
Well i lost my faith in humanity. Not all people are bad but i would say more than half are. Well faith in a spiritual father gives people hope for an afterlife instead of just an end. If you dont want to belive that fair enough i wont say your wrong or right. So dont you say iam wrong. Because who knows untill we die.

Gramps
07-17-2011, 11:03 PM
In my religion were free to believe what we see to be true ........only law is ,,,, Do as you please an harm non unless to protect and survive ,,,,,,,,,,

MrWorker
07-17-2011, 11:15 PM
Whats your religion gramps ?

2468
07-18-2011, 02:02 AM
someboby hear

MrWorker
07-18-2011, 03:03 PM
In my religion were free to believe what we see to be true ........only law is ,,,, Do as you please an harm non unless to protect and survive ,,,,,,,,,,

What is it then ?

Gramps
07-20-2011, 07:10 PM
Whats your religion gramps ?

Am A Druid

BlackCat
07-20-2011, 08:25 PM
No school like the old school huh? Awesome.

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Gramps
07-21-2011, 07:10 PM
I dunno.. I guess because they think they are right... but since there is no way to prove they are right (or wrong) until after we die, there really is no point in arguing about it.




I agree ,,, and personally I don't think the Gods Goddess or Grand Collective really Care how whether or not we Acknowledge them Or not

Problem is a lot of religions Know this but in a bid to fill their temples and Churches to make more money they Used the Hell and damnation in order to scare people into staying in their religion ,,,and to get their followers to Recruit people

And for a long time that worked ....But now a days such Narrow minded beliefs and way of thinking is turning people off

More and more people are returning to their pagan Roots or are following the path of Science ,,,,

Funny How Christianity Almost Eliminated Paganism from the face of the Planet back in the dark ages ,,,,Yet it survived only to have Christians Leave The Churches of their own free will and return to the Old Religions ,,,,,

If these Closed minded Religions are gonna Survive the New Age they are gonna need to Change ,...As they have Lost their purpose in this world and are Obsolete

KidVengeance
07-21-2011, 07:31 PM
Nihilism ftw

MrWorker
07-21-2011, 08:25 PM
How about racism for a religion

The_Black_Cat
07-27-2011, 10:42 AM
religion....one of last obstacles for maturity of mankind.

MrWorker
07-27-2011, 10:54 AM
Atheism = Depression no hope. Humanitarian subhuman freaks. You call yourselves humanaitarian BUT you support killing kids (Abortion). We need to put atheist in the koncenTrationslager aswell along with religious nut jobs we wont have any of it in the new fascist state.

The_Black_Cat
07-29-2011, 09:06 AM
i was talking about religion.....the books, the dogma's and all that crap....if you want to believe in a god that's fine with me but my point is it's best to keep that view to yourself if you want to make it work

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 09:25 AM
If iam too keep my view to myself would you keep yours too yourself. Because its the same thing at the end of the day isnt it ?

The_Black_Cat
07-29-2011, 10:09 AM
i do not think it's the same thing else there wouldn't be much discussion about it....

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 11:50 AM
I knew you would say something like that.

You think its all about you. ? If you have your opinion theres gonna be other people that have one back.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 12:10 PM
MrWorker, do you think it's all about you?

I remember reading a book, called "The Purpose Driven Life." The book was written by Rick Warren and was on the NY Times Best Sellers list for months! The first line in the book says... "It's not about YOU!" He goes on to explain that its about the relationship we can have with Jesus Christ and how living this life is meant to be purposeful and driven by the desire to follow who it is God has called you to be, which is revealed to one through that close relationship with Jesus. Can you explain to me how it is about any of us?

Jesus Christ died on a cross 2000 years ago. Was brutally murdered for the world to see for OUR sins! For the sins of the people then, the people that have lived since then and the people who are living now. Our design is perfect. Our creation has a purpose. We humans are created to worship. Sadly, the world has tainted this view of worship. Cars, money, sex, personal gain... it's all about looking out for ones self, looking out for how much money or wealth or status one has. It's really not about that at all. There's a passage of scripture in Luke 19 where Jesus is entering Jerusalem. This is called the "Triumphant Entry" in Christian Tradition. There, hundreds of people have flocked to where Jesus is. The Pharisees are indignant. They do not like the amount of attention Jesus is receiving and the don't like the noise being made! They approach Jesus in the middle of this big party that's going on and say, "Jesus, tell your disciples to be quiet!" (Roughly translated). Jesus' response is simply this. "If they were silent, even the rocks would cry out." We are created to worship, and God is so worthy of that worship that all of creation would simply worship Christ if we failed to do so.

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 02:42 PM
I believe in god but iam not religious.

Life would be a waste of time if it was just to worship. I didtn ask to be born and i certainly didnt ask to be a slave haha. So why should i be ?.

Religious books have corrupted yet again of what god wants.

My view is this
God wants people to love NOT fear. Only the devil wants fear.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 02:46 PM
How is any of that fearing? How is it forcing you to do anything? And what is your idea of worship?

The definition of worship is to ascribe worth to something. If you believe in God, you'll ascribe worth to Him. You'll worship Him, by giving your all and your best. By placing your best foot forward, not by taking a step and hoping its the right one - but by trusting that God is in control - taking that step confidently and ensuring that your witness is one that glorifies God and brings people closer to Him.

Worship is hard work. Worship is a lifestyle. God is not a "Get out of Hell Free Card."

If you have any more questions - or things you don't understand, feel free to ask. I'm not a religious person either. I'm a follower of Christ - one who has a "faith that is sure of what I hope for and certain of what I do not see."

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 03:06 PM
ALOT of prophercise in the bible have come true. Isreal had to become a country for the 2nd comming of christ and that as happened plus alot more.


I have my own personnal belief in my own god I do it my way and thats what god wants a personal relationship with god he dosnt want slaves all doing the same thing in a mosque or church example. by bowing down and stuff HE dosnt want that. the human body is the place to talk to god you dont need buildings.

But occording to religions if i dont do it there way ill go to hell for eternity

Besides i dont believe in hell. I believe evil people just die and get deleted. Good people go to heaven.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 03:09 PM
So you take bits and pieces of what the Bible says and put together your own little religion?

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 03:13 PM
Not really i have my own god. I dont believe in your medevil god or any other evil abrahamic god. And youve got a bad attitude to say your a christian your a hipocrit. Dosnt it say be kind to others aswell ?? your not doing that now so you are picking a choosing certain parts that work for you aswell.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 03:14 PM
"42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved."

Acts 2:42-47

This specifically says that the Body of Christ is to meet together - to never give up the habit of coming together and eating and worshiping and praising God... That's what "Church" is. A mosque is muslim, and yes they bow, but that is part of their tradition, as well. A Church you don't bow down to anything - I don't know where you got that idea... you just bow in your own personal life to the will of God - not become some sort of robot.

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 03:20 PM
That is EXACTLY what organised religion is ITs been a slave and a robot to a fear of the wrath of god LOL.

I dont know why your telling me your faith i dont believe what you believe. I believe in my own faith.

I will never convert to any barbaric religions. all the abrahimic religions have done is cause war and evil through out the world along with all the rest of the scummy evil organised religions. Islam is the the most evil

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 03:23 PM
Not really i have my own god. I dont believe in your medevil god or any other evil abrahamic god. And youve got a bad attitude to say your a christian your a hipocrit. Dosnt it say be kind to others aswell ?? your not doing that now so you are picking a choosing certain parts that work for you aswell.

I apologize if I am coming across as rude, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and what you believe. I am not picking and choosing anything right now. I am using scripture pertinent to particular parts of our conversation. No where in here have I been hypocritical. There's free will, brother. You believe what you want to believe, but I'm just doing what it is I have been called to do. To share the good news that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived a perfect life, was brutally tortured and murdered as a sacrifice for OUR sins - died on a cross - an extremely horrendous way to die - and rose again three days later, just as was prophesied in the old testament. God is good and sent His Son to die on a cross so that we might have life - so that we might live a full and purposeful life, one of meaning, full of love and peace, hope and joy. I'm not claiming that following Christ is easy, nor am I claiming that following Christ is free of any trials. 2 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with stage four burkitt's lymphoma. I have cancer - but still trust and believe in the healing power that raise Christ to life from the dead. That same healing power can remove this cancer from me, and will to the glory of God the Father in heaven. Whether this cancer is removed from my body and I continue living my life here on earth, or the cancer is removed from my life and I am taken to heaven - God is good and greatly to be praised. His wonders never cease and His power makes me stand in awe of such a creator! God, who spoke the stars into existence, cares about me. Such an amazing thought.

Matthew 28:18-20 says, "Then Jesus came to them (his disciples) and said, 'All authority on heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go into all the nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded. And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age.'"

My job is to proclaim the Good News. I apologize if there was any harsh tone felt or interpreted from previous messages, I'm just trying to challenge you and get you to think about what you really believe. :)

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 03:26 PM
I am not a slave to fear. I am not worried about any wrath coming from God because I know that I am living my life according to HIS promises and HIS commands - its not that He would strike me down. I made the choice to follow Him. You can make the choice to not. It's your decision, MrWorker. I'm not forcing anything down your throat. I'm just presenting my beliefs.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 03:32 PM
That is EXACTLY what organised religion is ITs been a slave and a robot to a fear of the wrath of god LOL.

I dont know why your telling me your faith i dont believe what you believe. I believe in my own faith.

I will never convert to any barbaric religions. all the abrahimic religions have done is cause war and evil through out the world along with all the rest of the scummy evil organised religions. Islam is the the most evil

You don't know what I believe, so thats why I'm telling you. Is there a reason you're bashing Islam though? I don't believe thats a way to reach those people either...

Jzee
07-29-2011, 04:10 PM
That is EXACTLY what organised religion is ITs been a slave and a robot to a fear of the wrath of god LOL.

I dont know why your telling me your faith i dont believe what you believe. I believe in my own faith.

I will never convert to any barbaric religions. all the abrahimic religions have done is cause war and evil through out the world along with all the rest of the scummy evil organised religions. Islam is the the most evil

mr worker so are you a follower of scientology? coz all other faiths acc to you are babaric, i see that you have singled out islam as being the evil religion why do you say that? my thoughts on any religion is not that the religion itself is to blame but the people who potray the evil in them and the religion suffers its like all stereotypes.
Islam and ppl who follow islam much like the ppl who follow any other religion are taught peace love and above all respect not only for themselves but to all religious types and to all ppl,animals,plants etc these i belive are the fundamentals and basis of all the biblical religions and even most eastern religions.
Sir you are extremely narrow minded with regard to religion i say this with the utmost respect to you because i enjoy your posts
generally.
for your infomation islam accepts the prophets ishmael,moses,jonah and Even JESUS as rightfully guided men of god and messengers
of the scriptures that they brought with them.
In all religios groups you have ectremists OSMA BIN LADEN was one of the biuggest extremists and wronfully used islam to push forwrd his own beliefs and killed inoocent women and children THAT MY DEAR FREIND IS NOT ISLAM for no religion teaches that to hurt the innocents you will have valour on the contrary so sir do not fall to the sterotypical aspect and brand islam OR any Religion as evil PPL are evil NOT FAITH!

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 04:28 PM
Ok then im sorry if i come across rude aswell.

Not everything is born with the hope or feel that jesus give so many people. Some people want to be religious and have hope but there just dont know how to do it. Not everyone is born into happyness not everyone as hopes or dreams.

I just dont understand the point really. In been born just to worship god it makes no sense to me. I dont believe in hell because. For one i never asked to be born and so did everyone else. So why should we submit ?. I believe when people die there is an after life but i dont know what kind it is. and i defanatly dont believe in hell. Maybe iam wrong maybe iam right i have no idea. All i know is ive never died and i never asked to live

Iam not a scientologist lol. But i believe we should include space and aliens within religions aswell. Theres more of a unniverse out there then there is on our earth. Its ridiculous and ignorant to even think we are alone in this unniverse.

I believe god created everything and the unniverse Everything that exists god created. But thats as far as it goes for me really. I wish i could have more of a religious feeling but i dont and thats what ive been created like

Jzee
07-29-2011, 04:41 PM
Mr worker if you belive in god then that is enough for you to belive in that is your faith i just feel that running Islam down or singlin it out thats not cool i Am a muslim and i follow the religion of Islam i do not condone terrorism it is not what we are thought in our religous scripture i have many friends who are christians,hindus,buddists and in my business i am surrounded by jews who accdept i even have a satanic friend.
What i dislike very much is when we are thrown into the same bucket of evil as the dumb dumb terrorists who keep on ego trippin on the media they give islam a bad rep.
I too accept your belief that we were not asked to be born and many times i wish i was rather a bird but we were created we were born by a higher being who created us for one reason and that reason was to acknowledge him in all his greatness and awe thats wht i belive.
We humans are the greatest creation we have reason we have intelligence of epic proprtions we just have to put it to use ask questions and do reasearch be inquisitive about things but we should not be judgemental for that is not for us to decide but to that being in whos hand is the universe and who holds the key to life and death.
and the greatest thing that this world and all its ppl and religions lack today is LOVE,Love for one another and love for themself.

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 04:47 PM
Jzee, who are you in game?

Scrappy
07-29-2011, 04:50 PM
@MrWorker - You weren't created with or without "religious feeling," but you were created with a desire to worship something, a desire to be loved, a desire to want something, a desire to be someone, a desire to do something... there is a "God-shaped" hole in everyone. Too often the world decides to fill it with money, sex, cars, entertainment, alcohol, drugs - or even false religions. Seek after what He wants for you in your life - find who it is you are, in Him. Living for God is much better and much more fulfilling than anything else this world has to offer. Just think about it. Message me in game if you have more questions.

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 08:13 PM
Ok Scrappy sorry to here about you having cancer. Ive lost many family to cancer myself so i know how it feels in the familys respect of it.

Iam not an ignorant person really. Even though i may come across it sometimes. Most of the time iam just having a alaugh anywhere it dosnt mean anything offensive. I respect everyones views and religions I like to get on with everyone. But theres so many shit stirers about i dont know whos taking piss or been serious.

in the name of GOD peace "

The_Black_Cat
07-29-2011, 10:27 PM
i'm always serious ;)

MrWorker
07-29-2011, 11:24 PM
Whats your view on religion V ?

MrWorker
07-30-2011, 01:16 PM
God as told me.

That religion goes against what god wants. God wants people to do 3 simple things.
- Give thanks
- Repent sins
- and try be good people.

And you can do these steps however you want and whenever you want Theres no wrong or right way. god wants you to live and not to be slaves like robots doing the same thing. he wants sons and daughters NOT robots who fear him only satan wants fear

Thats what god wants all the rest ( religion ) is not needed or neccesarry but if you want to feel closer in your own way then you can do religion if you want But its not needed.

Jesus came to earth to tell people god should be a way of life AND not a religion.

And thats what i follow. The bible and other religious books depending on your religious culture or heritage is just for guidance.

xDrone
07-31-2011, 01:32 AM
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
Who else believes this Robert Pirsig quote?

The_Black_Cat
07-31-2011, 02:54 PM
Whats your view on religion V ?

whether there is a god or not it's irrelevant to make it an issue....each should descide and esp. keep it to themselves

and if that's impossible for some then at least try and find common ground instead of focus on differences

so my view would be: working on being the best you can be and helping those who can use some guidance/help

explore the unknown, enjoy and respect ALL life and try and make the world a better place/home

i think honesty and modesty are key for personal growth....

(+ religions are man-made and 'designed' to control the masses...i'm sure that if there is truely a god he could have come up with something better than those religions and books...and he should have used the 7th day to do some extra work on the humans....amen!)

The_Black_Cat
07-31-2011, 02:55 PM
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
Who else believes this Robert Pirsig quote?

it is mass-delusion indeed...

BlackCat
07-31-2011, 04:21 PM
Second....third..that.

sanford
07-31-2011, 04:30 PM
I didnt tell you why I believe, or what the incidents were. Drawing from your imagination that it had something similar to your granny is your own problem. I likely know more about the science at 11 than you will ever know btw. There is no science in your answers, or questions and thats how i can say you are incapable if making the discussion intelligent.

Car accident .. my brain scan through my memories. wtf .. where did this come from? you might as well start a thread about the man from the moon.

FrankSinatra
07-31-2011, 05:36 PM
sanford,

Something's not less scientific only because you haven't heard of it, or because it sounds funny to you. It's true that life flashing before your eyes is a mechanic. People might even hear god during sleep paralysis, which is a phenomenon in which an individual is asleep and awake at the same time (basically).

You probably knew tons when you were 11. That's great, man.

FrankSinatra
07-31-2011, 05:37 PM
And the car accident was an example. Didn't think I would have to spell it out to you.

Scrappy
07-31-2011, 05:55 PM
Just a few questions: Where did we all come from? Why are we here? Is there life out in space? Are we all created for a purpose? Is there a reason why the earth is tilted on the axis it is? Is there a reason we live on earth and not some other planet? Is there a reason we're 93 million miles from the sun? Why is the sky blue? Why does an elephant have a long trunk? Why do we have thumbs? Why do monkeys have a similar physicality to us? Why do we all get sick? How are any of us healed? How was anyone healed before modern medicine? How does it rain? Why does it rain? Why does the sun shine after the rain? Why do flies only live 24 hours?

Life is full of soooo many questions. Can you answer any of them?

MrWorker
07-31-2011, 08:26 PM
Its obviously god.

Why would space and all the other rocks and stuff just BLOW UP emediatly out of no where it just makes no sense ?
Its all the work of god.

You dont have to be religious to believe in god. Accept god is the father and creator and you'll have a happy life. Theres poor people in the world that have nothing in matarial things But there have everything Because there believe in god and there happy. Now theres rich people in the world that have everything in matarial things but depressed because there havent accepted god.

Your with god always But the question is will you let god be with you ?

BlackCat
07-31-2011, 09:47 PM
People get sick because of god? I totally get it now, I thought it was just bacteria and the like.

What about the big bang doesn't make sense to you MrW?

sanford
07-31-2011, 11:31 PM
the guy that first came up with the big bang theory believed there was a god.

MrWorker
07-31-2011, 11:41 PM
people seem to think you cant be a scientist and believe in god. It dosnt matter what job you have anybody can believe in god.

Iam a fan of conspiracies and space ive been interested in that sort of stuff all my life And i believed in god all my life aswell

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 08:41 AM
Just a few questions: Where did we all come from? Why are we here? Is there life out in space? Are we all created for a purpose? Is there a reason why the earth is tilted on the axis it is? Is there a reason we live on earth and not some other planet? Is there a reason we're 93 million miles from the sun? Why is the sky blue? Why does an elephant have a long trunk? Why do we have thumbs? Why do monkeys have a similar physicality to us? Why do we all get sick? How are any of us healed? How was anyone healed before modern medicine? How does it rain? Why does it rain? Why does the sun shine after the rain? Why do flies only live 24 hours?

Life is full of soooo many questions. Can you answer any of them?

if i must....let me know which have priority ok? ;)

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 08:45 AM
Accept god is the father and creator and you'll have a happy life.

does this imply there's a mother as well? or a destroyer? did you see his 'pee-pee' as proof? does this really mean the 'big bang' was merely god playing with fireworks?

come on....

MrWorker
08-01-2011, 10:34 AM
Our mother is earth mate.

God is our father who created us and gave us life and he made us on earth and he also made earth and everyhing that exists.

Look abit more deeeper into it mate. Everything about us what we look like and how the earth is how lucky we are etc etc etc. Its just all abig coincidence mate. Its obviously god thats done it all. Hes made us perfect in giving us hands feet smell ears eyes speech etc etc.

BlackCat
08-01-2011, 08:08 PM
So now we're smashing pagan beliefs (mother earth) and biblical teaching's together are we?

We didn't just...oh i don't know...evolve. Had to be god?

http://cdn.amitash.com/images/human-evolution.gif

"There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority [imposed dogma, faith], [as opposed to] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking comparing religion and science.
That's probably why Scientist's aren't religious. Religion "doesn't work."

To back that idea up there's a part in the article the picture comes from that says Spiritualism/Religion comes from a need to create discipline amongst human populations, the problems arose it's decided when humans started fighting each other in the name of religion.
The article in whole can be found here. http://www.amitash.com/290/human-homo-sapiens-speciality.html#spirituality

MrWorker
08-01-2011, 08:24 PM
I dont understand really what your trying to say or what your getting at.

I believe in god created everything. Why as this got to conflict with your evolution ? I dont understand ? why it as to.

Are you saying because we evolved GOD cant exist ?

You make no sense bc.

I believe in god. and i also believe we evolved into what we are now and we will carry on evolving.

your just been pathetic in trying to prove god dosnt exist when infact nothing you do or what anyone does can ever prove that

BlackCat
08-01-2011, 08:44 PM
If I'm being pathetic trying to prove god doesn't exist then you are just as pathetic trying to prove he does.

If you can't figure out how god created everything conflicts with charles darwin's (not my) theory of evolution then please.....go back to school.

So god created man and then we evolved? Into what?

sanford
08-01-2011, 09:54 PM
why do you equate god to religion??

Bible was written hundreds of years past Jesus death. Every religion is flawed by mans hands.

Told ya you can't have a conversation about God on the internet with random people and hope that it will come up with anything useful.

It is a feckless exercise .

MrWorker
08-01-2011, 11:34 PM
Hold on a minute black cat. Where did i say it was your theorie ?. you still havent asked my question. Instead of twisting things like you typically do why cant you answere it propperly for once?. I know how god did it all. You atheist always put god and religion together. you dont seem to realise that religious books where hand made.

If your arguments with religions then have your argument with them. But dont bring god into it. Because that a different matter. Like ive already said. Religion is just a creed of your culture or heritage.

Evolution dosnt really mean shit to this argument. so what if we evolve OBVIOUSLY WE FOOKING EVOLVE how do you think the planet and the stars space the solar system evolved ?. Everything evolves. including the human body.
And god created and did it all. If you dont believe in your father then dont but dont you tell me what to believe in ok.

And its you throwing the flack iam just defending my position. I believe in god, evolution and the big bang aliens, etc etc god created it all

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:35 PM
it clearly says in the bible that god made men and not monkeys to let us evolve from there on...so evolution conflicts with creation

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:36 PM
+ i don't think females are made from male ribs....lol

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:38 PM
+ if there weren't any religions/books on the matter how would you know about god cq. 'the father'?

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:38 PM
how do you know god is male?

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:40 PM
or is it just that 'gut feeling' religious people refer to everytime they are questioned about their beliefs?

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2011, 11:41 PM
why not admit: i can not be for sure.....

or: it's totally irrelevant for the way i live my life.....

MrWorker
08-02-2011, 11:14 AM
I dont live my life in any way, Because iam not religious. I believe in god is father and creator of everything that exists and the unniverse not only earth. God knows everything aswell because he is everything and he resides in all of us thats why we have a consquence.

But think of it this way. Why is there man and women, male, female. Why is there only the 2 ? why isnt there a 3 or a 4 kind of gender lol. You know what i mean why does it only stop at 2 types why not have 4 types or 10 types of genders. ?

think about it. If it was just down to evolution and luck alone then it would be all out of countrol in everywhere with not only 2 genders but surly there would be more than that and everything would be abit of a mess compared to now.

God is controling it all that why everything is steady and striaght forward.

BlackCat
08-02-2011, 04:42 PM
But think of it this way. Why is there man and women, male, female. Why is there only the 2 ? why isnt there a 3 or a 4 kind of gender lol. You know what i mean why does it only stop at 2 types why not have 4 types or 10 types of genders. ?


Genes, more specifically the XY/XX chromosome.

MrWorker
08-02-2011, 07:11 PM
that dosnt answere the question. All youve done there is just change the style of the question.

Why should it only stop at xy/xx why cant it continue on to ( yyy/etc etcxxx/ or xxy/yxx whatever that means lol ).

BlackCat
08-02-2011, 07:25 PM
Because that's impossible. If you had anyknowledge of DNA, just a basic understanding would suffice you'd know that instead of making youself look like an uneducated fucktard in front of all these lovely people.......still I suppose if you're good at something why stop right?

MrWorker
08-02-2011, 07:29 PM
Hahahaha its good when you get angry blackcat you should do it more often.

But nah its not impossible nothing is impossible. If luck alone was in charge iam sure everything would be chaotic. Your the idiot blackcat your ignorant and selfish. Your the type of person that trys to prove god dosnt exist by putting religion and space together like ive said if you have a problem with religion then take it out on religion. But dont bring god into it. Religion is man made. God isnt.

Religion is good because of its morals. You atheists should concentrate on the morals more and Not the supernatural stories. If you people wernt so thick iam sure you would do

BlackCat
08-02-2011, 08:15 PM
Nothing is impossible? Ok fly.....breathe underwater...defy gravity. Go on. Anger is a waste of an emotion. Something else this god of yours is responsible for. He created everything right.

Not sure how many times I mentioned this and how many times I explained the difference but I'm agnostic not atheist, you want a definition?


Religion is good, religion is bad, religion is good.....make up your mind will you? One question though, what's space got to do with anything, I mean we were discussing genetics and why there is only two genders weren't we?

MrWorker
08-02-2011, 11:43 PM
Religion is good in the moral sense. BUT not in the controling sense. Ive been very clear on this point many times.

Agnostic is not dismissing anything because anything is possible. Right ?. Howvere youve gone against this because youve said 'God of mine' Hes not just a god of mine hes a god of yours and everybodys JUST ive got a different view thats all.

And nothing is impossible. You dont understand black cat. good and evil is like light and darkness. And in physics you use that really cold is the absence of heat thats same with darkness been the absence of light and evil been the absence of good.

Evil only exists with people who dont have good in there heart. If you dont love god then you automatically love the devil because thats what the devil wants in order for him to get stroger through the absence of good he gains evil and evil is spreading through out the world.
It dosnt mean you love the devil it just means that your against god which puts you on the devils side.

Ive already said to you. religion and god are different, YOU dont have to be religious to believe and love god

BlackCat
08-03-2011, 10:00 AM
"Agnostic is not dismissing anything because anything is possible" Anything is not possible though is it we've proven that. Or if it is go outrun a cheetah...or like I said fly. You can't and why? Because it's impossible.

"Evil only exists with people who dont have good in there heart. If you dont love god then you automatically love the devil" - Black and white again then, the simplistic philosophy of a child. Contradicted by "It dosnt mean you love the devil it just means that your against god" - So if you're evil and you actively spread evil do you or don't you love the devil?

Pouvez-vous commencer à faire sens, bientôt?

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:06 AM
i don't trust grownups with imaginary friends....there's medication for that

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:11 AM
+ if you believe in god you must have been influenced by a religion/religious book (no other source will claim there's a god) since there is no real proof or sign there even IS one around....IF there is one around he fcuked up big time! and that really doesn't do 'him' well right (OR his reputation) and it's plain arrogance to think it's a he instead of a she or even an 'it'.

how do you know?

because none of these questions can be answered (by sane people) it's not a foolish thing to be agnostic which actually means that there's nothing to believe unless solid proof has been provided....

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:19 AM
anyway....tell me why you always refer to 'the father' instead of 'the mother'.....how do you know for sure?

and when religions or their books are irrelevant how have you ever been influenced by 'the father'? you confuse me (yet again) with your sliddering way of explaining things.....:

you said: "I believe in god is father and creator of everything that exists and the unniverse not only earth. God knows everything aswell because he is everything and he resides in all of us thats why we have a consquence."

yet you say you are not religious!? that's just funny....

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:26 AM
I never said been agnostic was foolish youve just said that.
Believe what you want ive always said that, But you people are trying to down my hopes for some reason thats evil in its self. Tell me if you dont believe in any afterlife or hope then why on earth are you trying to ruin other good decent peoples chances. ?

What makes you the (sane people), By believeing in theories or. ?

I believe in god because its a great comfort for me it always have been. I believe in god, Whenever ive asked for something its been given to me.

Ive always believed in god since i was born all the way to now and nothing will ever change that. Iam not religious the only time i go to church is funerals or weddings.

Ive never been religious. But i have always believed in god. And ive not been influenced by any book. Ive believed in god all on my own without books or anything like that.

Basically what iam saying is. If you hate religion for whatever reason then fine. But thats no reason to hate god. God is not religion,

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:29 AM
anyway....tell me why you always refer to 'the father' instead of 'the mother'.....how do you know for sure?

and when religions or their books are irrelevant how have you ever been influenced by 'the father'? you confuse me (yet again) with your sliddering way of explaining things.....:

you said: "I believe in god is father and creator of everything that exists and the unniverse not only earth. God knows everything aswell because he is everything and he resides in all of us thats why we have a consquence."

yet you say you are not religious!? that's just funny....


Iam not religious but iam trying to explain to you what i believe. And Father is what everyone uses he is father because he created us and everything. He may be mother. God asnt got a gender anywhere. people have always used father. This isnt really important though isit ?

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:34 AM
people invented god so they don't have to take 100% responsibility for their own actions....in the end they can always say "it's god's will" or whatever....with a god in place you don't have to worry/wonder about a lot of things since 'he' already provided or taken care of things. if all people thought like that they would have never even invented the wheel.....for god would have provided somehow.

god is an excuse for cowards and weak people that can not think on their own.....

....and without religions or their books you would have never even heard about him/her/it.

so it's plain bullocks what you try to claim....

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:37 AM
You talk aload of bollox V, Yet again your using religion against god. Ive alreaddy told you religion IS NOT GOD!.
Everyone as there own life to do as there please. all god wants you to do is repent sins and give thanks its not hard.

Tell me if god did write everybodys lifes then what would be the point in living it and repenting sins because god in the first place would have known that there wouldnt repent so what would be the point in the first place LOL., There is some obsticles in life we dont have a hoice about but there is others we do

See thats why i believe god as given everybody total freewill todo as there please.

What i believe.

God is father and creator of everything and everyone.
and all we got to do to be saved is. Give thanks and repents sins preferably once a day. But you can do it whenever and however you want to.

God wants children who love him and each other. Rather than slaves and robots.

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:41 AM
what proof is there for that?

give thanks for what?

repent what sins exactly? (is there a definition?)

and when did god tell you that?

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:42 AM
That just what i believe mate. Iam not questioning you why are you questioning me ?

And god is hope for people in distress, Boy

Atheists are the most ignorant people on earth, And agnostics are the true cowards because there dont believe in god BUT there call themselves agnostic instead of atheist

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 11:48 AM
i just don't like people believing weird things.....for no good reason

and if you have a solid belief you shouldn't have difficulties with my questions at all.....and i'm not questioning you atm but the existence of god + i think religion has failed mankind on numerous occasions.

so if you don't mind:

"what proof is there for that?

give thanks for what?

repent what sins exactly? (is there a definition?)

and when did god tell you that?"

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:53 AM
Fair enough,

- I dont need proof i know myself. If you need proof then thats your problem.
- Give thanks for god of all the good things. And the animals that have died in order for you to be fed.
- Repent sins for all your crimes you committed thro-out the day.

And this is just natural instinct and consquence. and I feel better by doing this.

And if i or anybody believes in god. what business as that got to do with you son ?. I dont care if you like it or not.

The_Black_Cat
08-03-2011, 12:24 PM
And if i or anybody believes in god. what business as that got to do with you son ?. I dont care if you like it or not.

first of all thank you for a reply on some of my questions.....second if you decide to react on such a thread you can count on the fact i'm probably around to ask the awckward questions ;)

for example: don't you think it's a bad idea to go with a gut feeling instead of solid proof? (imagine a judge handles all his cases that way...)

i do like the idea of being thankful for (the good) things in life but can't we just respect and enjoy all forms of life instead?

and again: what are sins and when are they a true sin? (we spoke before on this; an example: what if you get attacked and hurt someone while defending yourself? what if you decide to abort a baby from the person that raped you? etc)

and i don't mind too much if someone has a different belief than me but i'm always interested in the arguments used....some people just believe anything they'll hear/read without giving it a serious thought themselves

Ikah
08-03-2011, 02:46 PM
Like http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGfBbHn6zAhSbSl86OBAEI1AQHtOEIC 1PIhRBovE5I0UW2slR0_Q&t=1

first of all thank you for a reply on some of my questions.....second if you decide to react on such a thread you can count on the fact i'm probably around to ask the awckward questions ;)

for example: don't you think it's a bad idea to go with a gut feeling instead of solid proof? (imagine a judge handles all his cases that way...)

i do like the idea of being thankful for (the good) things in life but can't we just respect and enjoy all forms of life instead?

and again: what are sins and when are they a true sin? (we spoke before on this; an example: what if you get attacked and hurt someone while defending yourself? what if you decide to abort a baby from the person that raped you? etc)

and i don't mind too much if someone has a different belief than me but i'm always interested in the arguments used....some people just believe anything they'll hear/read without giving it a serious thought themselves

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 07:19 PM
Everything i believe ive come to the conclusion myself. Life and space is to complicated to understand with our limited human mind. I still dont see why atheists try there best to ruin peoples hopes.

I dont need 'solid proof' like you may need, i know god exists for myself i believe god is the creator of everything if you need proof for yourself then thats your business. We are not all the same No matter how much secular humanists want to make us all the same there will never succeed.

Why are you asking me questions like these BELOW ?. I dont know the answeres iam not god iam just another human. If someone started attacking me i would knock the guys head off. And abortion. I dont agree with abortion. But if someone gets raped then i suppose i can understand that. But i believe all aborted kids go straight to heaven anywhere.

V - (**what if you get attacked and hurt someone while defending yourself? what if you decide to abort a baby from the person that raped you? etc**)

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 07:34 PM
All i originally said was. I believe in god, But iam not religious

I believe god is father and creator of everyone and everything. and that everything happens for a reason and its all for a greater good for all even if it dosnt seem like it at the time. But we will only get to see the truth of everything once we die.

All the questions your asking me V i dont no the answere why would i ? I can answere them personnally with what i think. But i cant answere for god and no one else can either all your questions will be answered when you die.

haha
08-03-2011, 08:07 PM
que haría jesús

Ikah
08-03-2011, 10:57 PM
Lol there is no reason to believe in god as there is no reason to believe in weird science.

God is father and creator of everything.

Black wholes are wormholes that connect two different location in space .

2 Fully unproved theories

MrWorker
08-03-2011, 11:07 PM
God gives people hope for people in distress. Science dosnt

Blarg
08-03-2011, 11:09 PM
I <3 God!!!

Ikah
08-03-2011, 11:11 PM
I think the only problem with religion is that the messengers are humans. They should be all robots program to interpret the books in only 1 unique way. Some priests are really f*cked up in all the meanings of the word lol

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:07 AM
Why are you asking me questions like these BELOW ?. I dont know the answeres iam not god iam just another human. If someone started attacking me i would knock the guys head off. And abortion. I dont agree with abortion. But if someone gets raped then i suppose i can understand that. But i believe all aborted kids go straight to heaven anywhere.

V - (**what if you get attacked and hurt someone while defending yourself? what if you decide to abort a baby from the person that raped you? etc**)

does this mean you "just believe in god" without the moral structure that goes along with most religions?

and such questions are really good ones esp. when you ask them to a religious orientated person....ofcourse you should be able to defend yourself but didn't jesus taught to turn the other cheek? so there you have a dilemma....

same with abortion...in a sense you kill life but at same time it's before it's really 'alive' so what are you killing exactly? a possibility? and secondly if it's about pregnant after assault i do think a person should have option to abort as well...

if we talk strictly religious here: god provided the option so he would have wanted it no other way right?

even if god exists it's really about ourselves taking responsibilities for things we do....

and just for the record....i'm not an atheist....agnostic is more correct....although i admit religions have some good moral teachings as well they tend to focus on ancient dogma's too much and are therefor outdated for centuries now

if you take best out of them you get to a more or less universal path that suits most of us....like buddhism: place responsibility upon your own shoulders and be the best you can be or take jesus' his golden and silver rule: don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you AND do good and you'll encounter good

such things make sense and serve the majority instead of only those who belief....

MrWorker
08-04-2011, 04:47 PM
I treat people how there treat me i always have done. The child may not be born but it is still a living thing. Its been put there for a reason. Imagine if you got aborted V you wouldnt be living on earth now. Think about the baby as you wouldnt have wanted to be aborted ?. I wouldnt want to be. And if atheists only believe in one life then it should be more important for you to give that kid life since it is that you only believe in 1 life. But i believe all aborted kids go to straight tpheaven anywhere and same with mis-carriages

and people should take responsibility for themselves thats the whole point of life to make good things happen and to make mistakes learn right from wrong etc.

I believe in god but iam not religious i try and be a good person show people respect etc but respect ofcourse works both ways. And i also believe that the human body is the place to speak to god (Pray) you dont need buildings like churches or mosques BUT religious buildings are there to help and for people to gather and talk.

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 05:14 PM
i believe you are (trying to be) a good person yet you don't always make sense LOL

your logic sounds contradicting but if it works for you i guess that's fine right?

edc
08-04-2011, 05:29 PM
Religion ????????????????????????????????????

TheTeflonDon
08-04-2011, 06:06 PM
You may be correct. Yes some religions do get out of hand with their beliefs but that is who they think they are. I agree with you partly because, how are people of our day sure that the bible is real, maybe a bunch of stoners in that time got together and thought that they were beyond human and because of that they should be believed?

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:14 PM
they voted on the content of the bible and whether jesus was 'just' a prophet or the son of god....hundreds years later and maybe a 1000km away!? and same with quran and torah....same bullocks

if god does exist i can imagine he printed some instructions in our 'hearts' and that's the place where you can find out whether something is real or not or good or wrong...he supposedly has more power than let some humans write and translate it over and over again.

MrWorker
08-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Judaism is basically christianity unfinished. And then islam popped up from nowhere 300 years later. Whatever your views on jesus maybe whether son of god or prophet i think you would all agree jesus was a good perfect person and everyone should live by his example. Love thy neibour as you love yourself. I believe he is son of god. Because we are all sons and daughters of god.

BlackCat
08-04-2011, 11:34 PM
I imagine the jews probably think their religion is "finished"


But since you bring it up explain. Why isn't it?

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:34 PM
well may be....but i'm not going to die on a cross

and "eye for an eye" or "turn the other cheek"...what shall i choose? doesn't really matter because it's both in the bible and i'll go to heaven anyway right?

MrWorker
08-04-2011, 11:35 PM
Mo ham head couldnt have been a prophet i think he was just jealous of jesus so he created his own religion. He was a mass murderer for crying out loud. He raped and married a 12 year old girl. If god supported this then he isnt god at all but the devil. Also why isit that muslims seem to be the most radical people on earth. Al quida, taliban, al shabab, etc etc blowing shit up and killing people and stoning etc. Its all bollox to me. and religion is a pile of shit when it comes to things like this it just a abig organised death cult of evil. I might strap a bomb to myself and kill in the name of allaaahh then i get to fuck 70 virgins LOL.

Believe in god but not religion.

Religion can be as evil as it is good.

Thats why i just believe in god and no strings attached to it

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:35 PM
(and ty blackcat for bringing that up....wasn't even prepared to go there myself)

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:37 PM
I might strap a bomb to myself and kill in the name of allaaahh then i get to fuck 70 virgins LOL.

btw did they ever check whether they are male or female virgins?

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:38 PM
maybe they are still virgins for a reason :P

MrWorker
08-04-2011, 11:40 PM
Al quuuuiiiidaaaaaaarrrrrrrr. Every one should strap a bomb to themselves and kill in the name of allllllaaaahhhh bang !! That way we get to fuck 70 beared women with 70 hairy pussys in the kingdom of rapist hood.

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:44 PM
you're getting very hostile now....no reason for that

calm down...it's just words :P

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:45 PM
must be past midnight...and you're british...have you been drinking again? LOL

The_Black_Cat
08-04-2011, 11:46 PM
nothing else to do on that island? :P

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 12:03 AM
england isn't that boring is it? ;)

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 11:33 AM
[IMG]My mission si to convert as many muslims as i possibly can to alcoholism. Only that way can there wash there sins away down a bottle.

that's f*cking funny

and a fine example how messed up religion can be....."all in the name of god"

Jzee
08-05-2011, 12:41 PM
@mrworker i find that you are purposely picking on islam,once again i reiterate that islam does not teach violence for other religions
islam teaches respect and love for humanity if you love yourself then you love god sir your post predictin these ppl are/ or wer for nazis and hitler clearly shows that you are usin a stereotype.
Let me ask you what of the people of Gaza is that not a holocast?
Are the north irish and south irish not branded as terrorists?
If a christian or jewish or hindu women covers her hair through her belief then she is not labled an extremist.
But if a muslim man grows a beard he is labeled an extremist.Your ONE sided views on ISLAM are hateful and shows your own neglet and respect of people it is people like you that fuel these sterotypes of ppl You CLAIM to be educated do the proper research before you judge all muslims and post utter shit!

Jzee
08-05-2011, 12:49 PM
MR worker fuck you im over tryin to be fair with you talk hard on this forum send me your address privately just me and you and i will personally bring terrorism to you go fuck yourself its one thing to debate on ppls religions its another thing to publicly defame a religion you dont agree with you have no respect for ppl or for yourself!

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 02:10 PM
i don't favor one religion over another....i think they're all insane

except the ones seeking peace and common ground and respect eachothers freedom and are prepared to take the proper responsibilty while enjoying their freedom

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 02:14 PM
(btw mrworker is entitled to his own opinion the same way you just did....it's a debate to some degree and both make valid points)

and although most religions preach love, peace and understanding somehow it doesn't really change anything in the world right?

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 02:15 PM
so...disban all religions :P

The_Black_Cat
08-05-2011, 02:23 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Jzee
08-05-2011, 07:50 PM
mr worker i wanted to show you that if you push a person he will become violent and you have a thick skull thats why you wont get it you are a poofter so i aint worried whatever, like you said you hate our religion good for you lets see how that works out for you maybe you hate to love us or love to hate us but in hatin us you will fall and thats why u will always be just a worker never more then a lil worker quit fuckin around and get back to work.
And watever you do dnt forget your daily double dose of hate.
:)

MrWorker
08-06-2011, 12:31 AM
FOR THE 2ND COMMING OF CHRIST

Isreal had to become a nation and judaism had to return to its homeland. This as happened.

Also the warning signs for the end of the world. Great empire would rise and fall weve seen that with the british empire. Nation will rise against nation. this as happened ww1 and 2 etc but i reckon theres gonna be another MASSIVE war later in the future. ''MABUS'' prophercised by nostradamus 3rd antichrist. also where seeing big famines world wide. earth quakes ETC.

JESUS IS COMMING very soon my friends. i would say 2012 BUT it may not be 2012 but i bet the mayans where right its gonna be in this century i know it is.

Weve been warned about this. we should have listoned,

BlackCat
08-06-2011, 10:46 AM
So....the second coming is going to be when the Mayan calender ends? Are those two things supposed to be related?

MrWorker
08-06-2011, 11:06 AM
Its appears so

You fucking square eyed cunt

Scrappy
08-06-2011, 11:10 AM
What appears so, Worker?

Did you read the Bible, or just listen to some Fundamentalist TV show host who believes the Mayan calender is synced with ours. Well, first of all, it's wrong. Second of all, the Bible clearly states that no one knows the fate of the second coming - not even Jesus Christ Himself. God is the King of second chances. No matter what you do, there's no reason He will not give you the strength to go on, day to day.

MrWorker
08-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Iam talking about prophercies that have come true. The things i have mensioned are the warning signs for the end of the world it says it in the bible. Its dosnt say that it is the end of the world when these things happen. But it is gonna be close. I reckon something is gonna happen in my life time.

BlackCat
08-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I thought the warning signs of the apocalypse according to the bible were supposed to be the plagues egypt suffered, rivers running red as blood, plague of locusts, rain of frogs, fire from the sky. Stuff like that.

Not world war 2

MrWorker
08-06-2011, 03:29 PM
Who gives a shit about the middle east ?. Their can suffer for all i care there kill themselves and are at war every single second anywhere middle east is nothing but bad news. Britian is my motherland and my religion and we must defend it for eternity.

For god ulster and country .

We fort against.
-Nazis
- Catholics and Now we will fight against muslims.

The muslims declared war on us when their burned our poppys and shouted AT OUR SOLDIERS ! all kinds of vile crap. WE WILL DESTROY ALL BARBARIC RELIGIONS FROM THIS GREAT NATION.

Britian belongs to the british and GOD KNOWS IT.

ALL HAIL BRITIANIA //////

toodles
08-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Who gives a shit about the middle east ?. Their can suffer for all i care there kill themselves and are at war every single second anywhere middle east is nothing but bad news. Britian is my motherland and my religion and we must defend it for eternity.

For god ulster and country .

We fort against.
-Nazis
- Catholics and Now we will fight against muslims.

The muslims declared war on us when their burned our poppys and shouted AT OUR SOLDIERS ! all kinds of vile crap. WE WILL DESTROY ALL BARBARIC RELIGIONS FROM THIS GREAT NATION.

Britian belongs to the british and GOD KNOWS IT.

ALL HAIL BRITIANIA //////

Actually all of europe is going to be muslim within 10 years. They are popping babies out like 8 per family while you only put out 1.4 per family. They are taking over without dropping a shed of blood ...YET.

MrWorker
08-06-2011, 11:52 PM
And colonel gaddafi said that muslims will take over europe in shear numbers without war. The muslims loose at war all the time so there need a new strategy to take over and its by comming to europe and multiplying Kinda like a virus works. But the liberals and socialists are to blind and stupid to realise this.

Radical muslims are the problem not normal muslims. The radical muslims are taking over the world and spreading out. For example Japan as shinto and radical muslims are trying to take over that. Korea as cheondoism and the radical muslims are trying to take over that. England/ europe as christianity and the radical muslims are trying to take over that. It dosnt mean there will succeed but there still blatanley trying to and the leftists socialist still just sit there in cloud cuckoo land.

Also black cat, jzee, chance, tony etc. I to know muslims who are proud to british and agree with me on all these points. Muslims that are good and are against radicalists and make it known i dont have a problem with. ITS THE radicals that i have a problem with

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 12:23 AM
And Jzee everything ive said. Is about radical miltant muslims. Not normal muslims. But since your a 'normal muslim' i thought you would have known that and too be against them.

I reckon you should convert jzee and get yourself a bottle. Stop with all this not eating bullshit and join a new religion like cheondoism and just relax mate and take your time haha.

The_Black_Cat
08-07-2011, 01:00 AM
Its appears so

You fucking square eyed cunt

what will god think about that? ;)

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 09:55 AM
what will god think about that? ;)

God sees everything. and he knows that iam giving as good as i get

Miss_Fortune
08-07-2011, 09:56 AM
i love satan

The_Black_Cat
08-07-2011, 10:16 AM
Who gives a shit about the middle east ?. Their can suffer for all i care there kill themselves and are at war every single second anywhere middle east is nothing but bad news. Britian is my motherland and my religion and we must defend it for eternity.

For god ulster and country .

We fort against.
-Nazis
- Catholics and Now we will fight against muslims.

The muslims declared war on us when their burned our poppys and shouted AT OUR SOLDIERS ! all kinds of vile crap. WE WILL DESTROY ALL BARBARIC RELIGIONS FROM THIS GREAT NATION.

Britian belongs to the british and GOD KNOWS IT.

ALL HAIL BRITIANIA //////

why can't i link this comment to nazi germany? what happened to that post?

admit it...sounds almost as radical as the radicals you say you hate.

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 10:48 AM
NO !. we fight against radicalism. Theys nothing more we want then peace. But they always another threat that threatens the nation. Everyone wants to push there views on us. Protestanti is england national religion and catholics tried to push their religion onto us and failed. Then the nazis tried to push their sick ideology onto us and there failed. NOW its radical islam and their to will fail but not before raising hell.

I dont understand why people just cant leave us alone ? Multicultural-ISM as obviously failed and i dont see why other countrys have to push their culture onto us. England as its own culture and religion and we want it left at that.

PS.
- Nazi germany was pro radical islam and against jews.
- England nationalists are pro isreal and against radicalists islam

We are NOT nazis. We are not racist thugs. We are realists and we want to defend our nation from islamic/Catholic fascists and leftists socialists

Jzee
08-07-2011, 11:06 AM
yo mr worker you say you have a prob with radical muslims then why pick on our prophet? dont normal muslims follow him?
why pick on the azaan(the call to prayer) that you HATE so much? dont NORMAL muslims follow this?
if you got a prob with RADICALS i agree but DO NOT INCLUDE ALL MUSLIMS when you want to be bashful and hateful!
Show sum respect for persons religion when you wanna go and get all hateful then do it AGAINST the party and not ALL that follow the religion of islam.
Next time watch your words british wer the FIRST mass muderers mass rapists and mass racists COLONISING was a britsih ideal and met with full and great force to the ENTIRE world so remember this cloud will follow the GREAT BRITISH EMPIRE FOR ETERNITY.
as you claim you are for britain do you accept the past war crimes of the britsh empire?
i can also generalise but i am fair i do not accuse you as a british citizen for your countries faults as you do for ISLAM on a whole.

The_Black_Cat
08-07-2011, 11:26 AM
about prophet: that WAS a weird man and a big perv indeed...

about azaan: they are AS annoying as church bells...

why do non-religious people always suffer by the freedom of religion? it somehow always interferes with OUR freedom....

best example: freedom of speech...i must be able to say Jewish people always act like a seperate group so it's not weird they often get treated as such OR that muhammed was a violent pervert since that is what he was exactly OR that jesus was a real hippy....all true

they're all delusional grownups with imaginary friends....instead of taking responsibilities themselves they place responsibility on their god since it his will right? if he is around: he must have given us this planet and it's life + eachother to work/live with so anything besides that is a discussion we can do without.

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 11:27 AM
I think of the good of british empire. Like bringing the world into the modern day, Technologies, Science etc. Britian today is one of the most democratic countrys in the world Anybody can come to britian and protest abuse there rights and kill us and there will only get a slap on the wrist NOT even that.

Yeah britians had its bad parts but so AS the whole world. Every single country in the world as got some blood on its hands.

Like ive said. Iam not against normal muslims who are respectful and kind. Iam against radicalists who want to kill us and abuse there rights this isnt just pointed at islam its pointed to militant atheists and radical catholics and other radicalists etc.

My message to people is. Believe whatever you want but dont push there ideas onto others.

I believe in a personnal god. But iam not religious

I believe half of everything is luck and the other half is fate. 50/50 for instance when a family member dies its their time to die but how their die is kinda there own for instance there may just die in there chair at home or there may go out side and get shot or there may slip and crack their head or have an heart attack etc

The_Black_Cat
08-07-2011, 11:58 AM
does this mean you can make your imaginary friend anything you want 'it' to be?

+ the british only got that golden age when the Dutch invaded your country and brought you common sense...you were catholic before that

+ after 3 wars with the Dutch you had to ask the French and the Germans for help to even be able to defeat them and even then you lost (1672) !?

so only when the Dutch invaded that island you got the freedom much needed to evolve.....the Dutch brought you the financial structure, business etc

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 03:16 PM
God nots imaginary V. God is monotheistic, personnal and Good.

We evolved into the greatest nation on earth. When ww2 broke out the dutch surrendered in a few days and so did france. Who did there need to come to the rescue then ?. Yes it was britian that liberated them. Do we ever get any thanks ? No we dont.

What goes around comes around you know.

killerthug
08-07-2011, 05:15 PM
mr worker i dont know who you think you are lmfao you are talking shit over the net, don't act like a keyboard fag, you christians are the biggest joke ever changing the bible ever since it came out making your own bullshit rules before you start talking about another religion you should learn about your own first. you fuckin arse wipe, lol that's all you white fags can do anyway talk shit over the net and behind our back while in front of our faces you are arse kissing, your all the fucking same pussy.

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 05:31 PM
mr worker i dont know who you think you are lmfao you are talking shit over the net, don't act like a keyboard fag, you christians are the biggest joke ever changing the bible ever since it came out making your own bullshit rules before you start talking about another religion you should learn about your own first. you fuckin arse wipe, lol that's all you white fags can do anyway talk shit over the net and behind our back while in front of our faces you are arse kissing, your all the fucking same pussy.
Well i think everyone would agree here. That Killerthug is a racist intolerant prick.

1st off you know it all trash. What makes you think iam white ? and 2nd what makes you think iam a christian you racist tosser ?

BlackCat
08-07-2011, 08:33 PM
God is monotheistic - In which religion.

jesus was a real hippy - And one of his groupies was a prostitute.....I could do the joke about why else would she be allowed to hangout with 13 guys but I'm not that crass

BlackCat
08-07-2011, 08:40 PM
"When ww2 broke out the dutch surrendered in a few days and so did france. Who did there need to come to the rescue then ?. Yes it was britian that liberated them. Do we ever get any thanks ?"

I can only assume you're talking about the promise Neville Chamberlain made? You took your sweet ass time about it though france wasn't liberated untill '44, Holland shortly after, early '45 possibly, I forget?

And even then wasn't Holland largely liberated by the American paratroops?

MrWorker
08-07-2011, 08:46 PM
Your people where just plain lazy. You wanted everyone to do your work for you. And hitler just smoothly went around your maginot line hahahaha. What dumb idiots your were even hitler laughed at that.

Back onto religion.

- There is fate and luck 50/50
- God is personal and does not commit evil
- man has free will; “man has the free choice of good or evil”
- Afterlife - Unknown,

My view is that Evil people just get deleted or perhaps their get reincarnated as someone else with the same soul ofcourse but in a different shell to try and be good person that time around. You are the soul not the body, the body is just the shell. The good people will go straight to heaven. They is no hell.

MrWorker
08-08-2011, 04:07 PM
mr worker i dont know who you think you are lmfao you are talking shit over the net, don't act like a keyboard fag, you christians are the biggest joke ever changing the bible ever since it came out making your own bullshit rules before you start talking about another religion you should learn about your own first. you fuckin arse wipe, lol that's all you white fags can do anyway talk shit over the net and behind our back while in front of our faces you are arse kissing, your all the fucking same pussy.

Hold on a minute. 1st what makes you think iam white and 2nd what makes you think iam a christian you racist intolerent fucking junky trash. You mensioned the bible and christianity i have no idea why. But Christians are loving, forgiving and love thy neighbour. Now lets talk about islam your evil cult. Islam is evil preaches death to non believers. It as written scriptures about jews looking like apes and monkeys and it says to take over the world. Your Prophet was a peadophile who raped and married a 12 year old girl. And your religion causes nothing but hatred and war. Your religion is a religion war and hate NOT peace.
Your religion goes totally against christianty and judaism. Jesus made it very clear he was the last sent from god.

And black cat your just as equally a racist intolerent cunt. Your quick to judge jews and christians and jesus, britian and whites. But you dont mension or say anything about islam mo ham head or blacks. RIGHT after this cunt as just been blatanly racist. You just missed him and went to call jesus a hippy why ?. What about mo ham head the peadophile you hipocritical cunt ?

And thug if you wasnt so brain dead you would know we have already just sorted this out but you have started it up again so so be it.
I know some muslims who are proud to be british these i respect. I HATE radical muslims. and i hate radical catholics and any other radical sects of religion

The_Devil
08-08-2011, 06:26 PM
LOL I'm an atheist. I have read the Bible cover to cover. To me its exactly like the Illiad or Odyssey. A great epic, but nothing more. I have never seen anything that would lead me to believe there is a God.

MrWorker
08-08-2011, 08:07 PM
Iam not a christian. My religion as aspects of christianity but its not christianity. But what annoys me about atheists is their always pick on christians. Are you atheists to much of cowards to pick on islam ? or any other religion. You wouldnt dare because if you picked on islam their would be-head you.

When an atheist ever says anything their always compare themselfs to 'Christianity' and not any other religion. Their always say stuff about christians and jesus but their never mension anything about any other religion.

If you dont want to believe in any hope then that your problem but dont you dare bring anyone else down in the mud with you. Understandy ?

The_Devil
08-08-2011, 08:40 PM
I'm not picking on anyone. What annoys us is when Christians come up to us and tell us that if we don't believe in their God, we're going straight to hell. I don't want your religion. Stop trying to cram it down my throat. If I ever came across a muslim on these boards, I'd tell him the same thing. But muslims don't ever start these topics. Its always christians.

MrWorker
08-08-2011, 08:44 PM
Well the person who started this topic was a atheist and the person who started the whole religious thing off was a atheist bashing christians for absolutley nothing.

I believe in god ill make it public Iam not craming anything down anyones throats but for example if a atheist tells me what he believes then ill tell him what i believe it works both way.

Chance
08-08-2011, 10:07 PM
Well the person who started this topic was a atheist and the person who started the whole religious thing off was a atheist bashing christians for absolutley nothing.

I believe in god ill make it public Iam not craming anything down anyones throats but for example if a atheist tells me what he believes then ill tell him what i believe it works both way.

Yeah, or you could just say you're a theist but you don't study religion so you're kind of ATHEIST technically.

Chance
08-08-2011, 10:09 PM
jesus is the way the truth and the light, follow him or burn in hell for eternity. not trying to scare anyone im just being straight up. i wanna help u so go pick up a bible and turn to a random page and read. and yes im talking to u.

Which Bible? The marijuana horticultural indoor/outdoor growers bible? or the jewish bible, or the other bible, or the other bibles?


What is hell and why don't the jews believe in it?

Chance
08-08-2011, 10:28 PM
LOL I'm an atheist. I have read the Bible cover to cover. To me its exactly like the Illiad or Odyssey. A great epic, but nothing more. I have never seen anything that would lead me to believe there is a God.

You're probably the only guy in history to have read the bible cover to cover and called it the next best thing to the illiad or the odyssey. Seriously, i know the illiad kind of SUCKS now.. compared to mel gibsons the passion but FUCK MAN! The bible isn't even a page turner! or anything it's a book filled with hatred, racism, nationalism and genocide. The five books of moses are totally FUCKED UP! littered with incest, murder, and all kinds of shit! The illiad barely goes into some of those fields. The bible does, but it's still boring as fuck.

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 12:00 AM
You must be reading something different to what everyone else is reading then chance. No an atheist is someone who dosnt believe in god. I do believe in god.

My view is jesus came to earth to tell people god should be a way of life and not a religion. So i believe god but iam not religious i dont believe in religion. Only god and the ten commandments to be used as the morals of life.

Chance
08-09-2011, 04:30 AM
mr worker, google genocide in the old testaments, also incest, and etc.... you will soon find some very interesting things. ranging from animal sacrifice to god only knws what.

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 11:02 AM
Well thats what iam talking about chance. Religion can be as bad and barbaric as it is good and hopeful. But all the stuff your saying there must be from the old testament. Atleast to day christians are peacful and calm. Because there try to follow jesus example and praise jesus NOT the bible.

The old testament is barbaric ive already said it lol. The new testament it the best. I would be more of a new testament kinda person myself.

But lets face facts here its not religion thats the problem really its the people that does the crimes it says very clearly on the 10 commandments thy shall not kill.

The 10 commandments are the morals of life not a book some old bloke wrote. Christians praise jesus NOT the bible.

BlackCat
08-09-2011, 01:26 PM
I didn't say jesus was a hippy, that was V I merely said mary magdalan was a prostitute. Which she was. Try and pay attention worker, I'd still like to know how I'm racist towards chrisitans when you yourself said that it was impossible.

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 03:36 PM
If you can be classed as been racist towards muslim. Then you can be classed as been racist towards christians and jews. it works both ways.

Magdalan? what you bringing her into it for lol ?

You missed that guy who was bashing christians and was racist toward white people. You missed him and you went straight to call christians names. You Black cat if your white. You are a traitor to the your white race and the christian religion. I dont think your white i think your black racist and a muslim. What annoys me is you are having a go at me for telling it how it is. But when a muslim comes back with a load of racist foul mouthed crap you just miss him and still have a go at me ?

You still dont know what religion or race i am !. LOL but muslim blacks seem to think iam white and christian. Fair enough lol think what you want.

God is not a muslim, Not a christian and not a jew or any other religion. God is God and the sooner radical muslims, atheists and everyone else understands that the better.

Chance
08-09-2011, 06:11 PM
Well thats what iam talking about chance. Religion can be as bad and barbaric as it is good and hopeful. But all the stuff your saying there must be from the old testament. Atleast to day christians are peacful and calm. Because there try to follow jesus example and praise jesus NOT the bible.

The old testament is barbaric ive already said it lol. The new testament it the best. I would be more of a new testament kinda person myself.

But lets face facts here its not religion thats the problem really its the people that does the crimes it says very clearly on the 10 commandments thy shall not kill.

The 10 commandments are the morals of life not a book some old bloke wrote. Christians praise jesus NOT the bible.

Oh, so the old testament is a bad book, but the ten commandments are okay? Isn't that kind of stupid? I mean you're just picking and choosing what's right and wrong in the christian faith so that you can turn a blind eye to the big picture. You forgot about the crusaides and many other "biblical" wars. Iraq being one, as george w. bush said god is on our side, etc.. etc I believe tony blaire did as well. You have to understand that life isn't about always being right. Christians aren't peaceful people, christains aren't that caring or understanding. It's quite obvious that religion is just dumb. Not saying i'm not religious or anything. I just look at it like aristotle would. Rather than being a part of it, i study it. I look at it from multiple perspectives and conclude for myself that religion is a waste of time. Good people don't come from religion, GOOD people come from a GOOD society as well as a horrifically terrible one (albiet that is rare) If people choose religion then they have that mind set, but typically they aren't that peaceful. You can say they're not, but i'll just bring out crime rates and other things from christian nations and their history. It's a losing battle, (religion) but it's not the worst thing and really shouldn't be a focus in our daily lives unless that is your daily life (meninites, omish, hasidic, etc). Focus more on your developing mind and staying happy. Don't worry about heaven or hell as you wouldn't get there on your knees anyways!

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 07:18 PM
Not all people who mension god are christians or muslims or jews etc. Some people believe in there own god but have no religion.

Your entitled to your opinion. The point iam trying to make is why isit always christians that have to have to be bashed. The whole point of religion is to give people hope. Its better to believe theys something better than this life. Because lets face it life isnt very good but the afterlife is brilliant thinking of an afterlife makes all lifes hardships seem like nothing. compared to living in rest, peace and happiness for eternity.

BlackCat
08-09-2011, 07:46 PM
So I read killerthugs post then I re-read it and I finally read it a third time just in case there was something I was missing....but I'm not seeing it.....just because he "bashes christians" he's a muslim? Mind you so am I now right? Your logic, like you, is totally fucked up.

You have said on more than one occasion though that you can't be racist with a religious bent because "racism is race, black white etc. religion is jew, muslim or christian." So you tell me how can I be racist towards christians?

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 07:54 PM
I didnt say you was racist towards christians i said you was racist towards whites ,duhhh. and killer thug is blatanly racist and bashes christians THINKING iam a christian and i must be white !. For all any of you know i might be a cheondoist and i might be from north korea. And thug does mension that hes a muslim. He says WE' re read it black cat

BlackCat
08-09-2011, 08:10 PM
You're british and consequently most likely to be white, your grandfather on your mother's side (iirc) is from Northern Ireland though which province I'm not sure, again, most likely Ulster since that is I believe the largest. Your grandfather dropped on Crete where he may or may not have been wounded but was captured by the german's and held in a pow camp for an indeterminate period of time but he like the other prisoners was treated well, unlike those captured by the Japanese. The idea you're british is further backed up ny your intolerance for immigrants and what you percieve as a weakiling government. You also have a desire to recreate the British Empire, not something a North Korean would be too keen on I think.
When it comes to religion you mention jesus far more often or readily then other religious figures such as buddha, shiva, kali or mohammad the sole exception being god, given that jesus and his disciples are largely held accountable for the spread of christanity is fairly safe to say you associate from a religious point of view with christanity far more easily than judaism, hinduism or islam. Assuming you haven't lied or created an e-persona you being a cheodonist from north korea (a communist country) is I think you'll agree highly unlikely.



How am I doing?

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 08:17 PM
I might be a black guy whos family as been in britian since the slave trade.

And my grand parents are nothern irish from ulster. So obviously we have to defend the old country aswell. Northern ireland and england are the motherland. Kinda like england is mother and ulster is sister.

BlackCat
08-09-2011, 08:47 PM
Your ancestors may well have been black slaves but given that the slave trade was abolished in 1833 you'd be creole at best by now the only way you might possibly be black is if your father is also black.....but I doubt that. Given a propensity for white people to marry and/or have children with people of their own skin coloration.

MrWorker
08-09-2011, 11:52 PM
Given a propensity for white people to marry and/or have children with people of their own skin coloration.

What do you mean by that ?

MrWorker
08-10-2011, 07:12 PM
Iam sick of hearing about. Christianity, Islam, judaism and Atheists giving there views. Does anybody have a totally different religion ?

Chance
08-10-2011, 09:54 PM
What do you mean by that ?

She means that in certain times in our history white people have done or said this "stick with your own kind!".

MrWorker
08-10-2011, 11:38 PM
But whats wrong with that chance I dont understand what the hell thats got to do with anything.

Theres more black men with white women. Then there is white men with black women. Because black women hate white men. Besides its not white peoples fault its a mutual fault. So stop persecuting whites please.

Understandy ?

The_Black_Cat
08-11-2011, 12:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdG6FfAwIBk

The_Black_Cat
08-11-2011, 12:04 PM
btw not a different religion but good alternative: buddhism....

MrWorker
08-11-2011, 02:58 PM
God is Great ;)

Chance
08-11-2011, 06:24 PM
But whats wrong with that chance I dont understand what the hell thats got to do with anything.

Theres more black men with white women. Then there is white men with black women. Because black women hate white men. Besides its not white peoples fault its a mutual fault. So stop persecuting whites please.

Understandy ?
Yeah, YOU DO REALIZE IM MARRIED TO A BLACK WOMAN RIGHT?

Chance
08-11-2011, 06:25 PM
And shes british!

MrWorker
08-11-2011, 11:11 PM
That shes british ? Iam not surprised at that all our women go with forieghners scruffy rats, thats one thing we need to stop.

That shes black ? Iam quite surprised at that 1 in a billion congratulations pal.

Now why dont you get back on ya boat to cambodia ?

The_Black_Cat
08-12-2011, 12:00 PM
hahaha so he IS a nazi after all...and the british perish by their own decadence atm....their own fault

same arrogance that's wrecking america as we speak

MrWorker
08-12-2011, 01:31 PM
The leftists have brainwashed you V

DeepCoolMafia
08-12-2011, 07:42 PM
Suck Me Hairy Dick

DeepCoolMafia
08-12-2011, 07:42 PM
This is Deep Cool Mafia

Chance
08-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Now why dont you get back on ya boat to cambodia ?

I prefer korean air, thank you! Although a luxury cruise is just what i need.

MrWorker
08-12-2011, 08:20 PM
What a ''puftaaaaaaaaa ---'' luxury cruiseee

Chance
08-12-2011, 08:25 PM
Did you learn that from a black person?

MrWorker
08-12-2011, 08:27 PM
Your wife ------

Chance
08-12-2011, 08:31 PM
How original. I don't think your her type. See my wife likes guys who can colour by numbers.

MrWorker
08-12-2011, 08:34 PM
Colour by numbers ? Am i ment to know what that means ? Or do you mean people who colour themselves in to look more of the part haha.

I could melt some chocolate down i suppose. Maybe your wife should melt some white chocolate down so i can play the black guy and she can play the white women for once. Hahah.

Chance
08-12-2011, 08:41 PM
You don't know what coloring by numbers means? lol.. enough said.


Guys, he didn't even go to elementary school.