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The_Black_Cat
06-09-2017, 01:42 PM
congrats china for brexit, erdogan and now trump

nato is crippled....waiting for finishing blow.

4-0 india and pakistan joined.

5-0 new observers and memberstatus coming up.

joshmay
06-09-2017, 07:53 PM
Somebody needs to get this man in the bed and off the forums

IDC
06-09-2017, 08:44 PM
Theyve tried to bury this cat for years and he always gets away from them

The_Black_Cat
06-10-2017, 01:17 PM
And it's 4-0 already......

"India and Pakistan have joined SCO as full members on 9 June 2017 in Astana, Kazakhstan."

The_Black_Cat
06-10-2017, 01:18 PM
Bye bye western world....it was fun while it lasted.

Eli_462
06-10-2017, 08:36 PM
yeah india and pakistan will pull them ahead.

is this for who can assemble the shittiest nations in one group? all you need to know about india and pakistan is in the last Olympics these countries combined for 0 gold medals, populations in the billions and not one gold medal and i believe india got 2 medals total and pakistan didnt medal. African nations are laughing at india and pakistan even figi is like wtf.

Bad_Intentions
06-10-2017, 08:50 PM
Stars and Stripes forever! The flame of freedom will never die. Praise Kek

The_Black_Cat
06-11-2017, 11:09 AM
yeah india and pakistan will pull them ahead.

is this for who can assemble the shittiest nations in one group? all you need to know about india and pakistan is in the last Olympics these countries combined for 0 gold medals, populations in the billions and not one gold medal and i believe india got 2 medals total and pakistan didnt medal. African nations are laughing at india and pakistan even figi is like wtf.

life is not about medals....you dumb shit.

politics and religion are about numbers......and they have the numbers now

what's more significant is that two mortal enemies (and nuclear powers!!!!!) now joined the opposing force of NATO....

.....while NATO is close to laying in ruins.

educate yourself instead of being a complete moron......

The_Black_Cat
06-11-2017, 11:11 AM
The flame of freedom will never die.

for the uneducated and/or ignorant: the flame of freedom is already dying.....

....you're too dumb or too uninformed to realise it yet.

The_Black_Cat
06-11-2017, 11:26 AM
Iranian writer Hamid Golpira had this to say on the topic: "According to Zbigniew Brzezinski's theory, control of the Eurasian landmass is the key to global domination and control of Central Asia is the key to control of the Eurasian landmass....Russia and China have been paying attention to Brzezinski's theory, since they formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation in 2001, ostensibly to curb extremism in the region and enhance border security, but most probably with the real objective of counterbalancing the activities of the United States and NATO in Central Asia".
[.....]
In November 2005 Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov reiterated that the "Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) is working to establish a rational and just world order" and that "The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation provides us with a unique opportunity to take part in the process of forming a fundamentally new model of geopolitical integration".
People's Daily expressed the matter in these terms: "The Declaration points out that the SCO member countries have the ability and responsibility to safeguard the security of the Central Asian region, and calls on Western countries to leave Central Asia. That is the most noticeable signal given by the Summit to the world".

The_Black_Cat
06-11-2017, 11:27 AM
funny how all their dates overlap events happening in the west.....2001....twin towers.....formation of SCO

you can fill in the rest yourself....i hope.

bLiNd_is_back
06-11-2017, 01:27 PM
Bring on the war.

Something this world needs is a good genocide.

Hopefully many of the idiots will go first...
Islamic lovers, Labour voters, then the Scottish.... in that order preferably.

harryverderchki
06-11-2017, 02:07 PM
42% of americans will be obese within 5 years . This is a bigger sign of the end of USA. Fat and dumb and believing in a con man that brought you Trump University.

Bad_Intentions
06-11-2017, 02:24 PM
for the uneducated and/or ignorant: the flame of freedom is already dying.....

....you're too dumb or too uninformed to realise it yet.

Says the guy who post bogus philosophical quotes...

You don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to these matters V. You can't think past a numbers game. It's anti-semites like you who pose a greater threat to the West than SCO. Any how comparing NATO and SCO shows how uninformed you are. You're confirmation bias is up there with workers flat earth.

Eli_462
06-11-2017, 02:41 PM
life is not about medals....you dumb shit.

politics and religion are about numbers......and they have the numbers now

what's more significant is that two mortal enemies (and nuclear powers!!!!!) now joined the opposing force of NATO....

.....while NATO is close to laying in ruins.

educate yourself instead of being a complete moron......

haha wow i love how you call me a moron and totally miss the point. it's about numbers? yeah that makes sense Germany took over pretty much all of Europe with numbers? The most well-off nations are that because of their population and your so called numbers? No. and hell no.

the point of my post was to show you those nations don't matter just billions of starving people. if you notice the more prosperous nations do the best in Olympics because they can focus on other things other than survival. wow! Give me quality over quantity any day.

NATO will always be stronger as long as USA is in it.

VinnyBags
06-12-2017, 03:46 AM
Unfortunately we have a mentally retarded crybaby who happens to be our President and is actively and continuously undermining NATO and our relationships with our European allies and allies in general, doing Putin's work for him.

The_Black_Cat
06-12-2017, 05:43 PM
Says the guy who post bogus philosophical quotes...

You don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to these matters V. You can't think past a numbers game. It's anti-semites like you who pose a greater threat to the West than SCO. Any how comparing NATO and SCO shows how uninformed you are. You're confirmation bias is up there with workers flat earth.

i just laughed out loud...you have no clue about geo-political matters i noticed

and anti-semite? it's easy using that word when you run out of arguments to defend that fascist group right?

The_Black_Cat
06-12-2017, 05:45 PM
haha wow i love how you call me a moron and totally miss the point. it's about numbers? yeah that makes sense Germany took over pretty much all of Europe with numbers? The most well-off nations are that because of their population and your so called numbers? No. and hell no.

the point of my post was to show you those nations don't matter just billions of starving people. if you notice the more prosperous nations do the best in Olympics because they can focus on other things other than survival. wow! Give me quality over quantity any day.

NATO will always be stronger as long as USA is in it.

what defeated Germany? Numbers....and a strong US...i agree....but a weakened one without allies, with trump and an fbi/cia under investigation....nah....especially when SCO has about half the world population represented.

The_Black_Cat
06-12-2017, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately we have a mentally retarded crybaby who happens to be our President and is actively and continuously undermining NATO and our relationships with our European allies and allies in general, doing Putin's work for him.

finally....someone gets it.

The_Black_Cat
06-14-2017, 11:17 AM
http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20150415/eca86bd9e2eb1697e6e704.jpg

The_Black_Cat
06-14-2017, 11:19 AM
this was the last step China had to make to gain economic control of euro-asia.....

The_Black_Cat
06-14-2017, 11:25 AM
http://www.un-arm.org/_Images/PoAISS/Maps/RegionalOrganizations/map19.gif

SCO today...

The_Black_Cat
06-28-2017, 02:27 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/SCO_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/220px-SCO_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png

SCO near future...

The_Black_Cat
06-28-2017, 02:27 PM
still growing.....

NATO wake up....or accept defeat already

CARDACI
06-28-2017, 04:21 PM
looks like you enjoy talking to yourself

go on

so long

The_Black_Cat
06-28-2017, 04:35 PM
i find it amazing and stupid at the same time people in the US and UK are so incredibly ignorant to what's happening in the world besides Trump and Brexit....you're being isolated....and you're too stupid and ignorant to see it happen.

http://www.thebeijinger.com/sites/default/files/thebeijinger/blog-images/309860/obor.png

The Belt and Road Initiative

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/china-watch/china-watch-migration/AIIB-map-large.jpg

...and this speaks on itself....but usually only to smart people.

The_Black_Cat
07-03-2017, 10:48 AM
China’s plan for global trade: the One Belt One Road initiative. Nearly 70 countries and international organizations have signed up for the mega infrastructure project, said president Xi Jinping at the close of the summit today (May 15), but others still have no idea what it is. The next gathering in Beijing is slated for 2019.

During his speech at the opening of the “Belt and Road” forum, Xi pledged at least $113 billion in extra funding for the initiative, and urged countries across the globe to join hands with him in pursuit of globalization.
“We have no intention to form a small group detrimental to stability,” Xi said. “What we hope to create is a big family of harmonious co-existence. ”

What the heck is it?
It’s all about building massive stuff, mostly around transport and energy: roads, bridges, gas pipelines, ports, railways, and power plants.

Proposed by Xi in 2013, the program is an estimated $5 trillion (pdf) infrastructure spending spree that spans 60-plus countries across Asia, the Middle East, Europe, and Africa.
Hailed by Xi as a “project of the century,” the plan fits into his bigger narrative that China is setting an example of globalization, filling the void left by the US under Donald Trump’s “America First” policy.

The “One Belt” part of it refers to the Silk Road Economic Belt while the “One Road” refers to the 21st-century Maritime Silk Road.

Jointly, they’re meant to be a revival of the ancient Silk Road trading routes.

The_Black_Cat
07-03-2017, 10:57 AM
In response mainly to increasing US presence in Central Asia—especially after the American’s gained permission from Uzbekistan to base air force assets there for the Afghanistan campaign—China created the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). Since its inception in 2007, it has expanded its membership and increased its activities, including regular heads of state meetings and joint military exercises.

In this case, Beijing has been building pipelines across Central Asia and Myanmar, train lines from Chongqing to Duisburg in Germany, and road links into Pakistan and a new port near Karachi for years.

These massive infrastructure projects all have at their heart a single geopolitical, strategic objective for Beijing. Throughout its entire history, China has been largely self-sufficient in natural resources and energy. But since its economy began to grow rapidly in the mid-1990s, it has found itself increasingly dependent on international markets for the resources and energy it needs to sustain growth.

And nearly all of these imports must go through the Straits of Malacca.* China’s at least 20 to 30 years away from being capable of challenging the US militarily in the Straits. For strategic planners in Beijing this is a major vulnerability.* The New Silk Road is therefore intended to give Beijing strategic options, and the AIIB is a means to pay for it.

Inevitably the Asia–Pacific is being reshaped by China’s emergence as the dominant economic power.* Over the past thirty years, Australia has understood and responded creatively to changes in the region. APEC, for instance, was visionary in its anticipation of future regional developments.

It’s difficult then to understand the policy confusion in Canberra over the AIIB. In the end, Australia has managed to achieve the worst of all possible results. We have lost early mover advantage to influence and shape the institution, especially its governance, and we’ve not supported an ally who lobbied against the AIIB’s creation. We have joined the Bank not at the outset as invited to do so but at the tail end of a 57-country body, somewhere between Luxembourg and Norway. We’ll need a big diplomatic effort to regain some of the lost influence.

(This is written by an Australian observer- it's even worse for the US and UK)

The_Black_Cat
07-03-2017, 11:03 AM
And where the US wanted the TTIP and the TPP and it didn't happen.....

China now has the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership and the Eurasian Economic Union working in their favor....

Time to wake up or let Trump and Brexit ruin you even more.....?

The_Black_Cat
07-03-2017, 11:05 AM
RCEP potentially includes more than 3 billion people or 45% of the world's population, and a combined GDP of about $21.3 trillion, accounting for about 40 percent of world trade.

The combined GDP of potential RCEP members surpassed the combined GDP of Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) members in 2007.

Continued growth, particularly in China, India and Indonesia could see total GDP in RCEP grow to over $100 trillion by 2050, roughly double the project size of TPP economies.

January 23, 2017, US President Trump signed a memorandum that stated withdrawal of the US from the TPP, a move which is seen to improve the chances of success for RCEP.

Bad_Intentions
07-03-2017, 02:01 PM
Read the stuff from good old PNAC and the Foreign Policy Initiative. We will fuck up anyone V. You about to see it in NK

The_Black_Cat
07-04-2017, 09:59 PM
well you better have excellent timing or it's too late

Zappa
07-05-2017, 03:27 AM
NK what ?? lol US gonna do fuck all . China won't do fuck all and they have all the cards. They don't want millions of refugees from NK.

The_Black_Cat
07-05-2017, 10:44 AM
NK and other areas are distractions from the economic expansion of china....

....they clearly have been reading Vom Kriege....there are other ways to win a war without fighting.

debt....and the ability to gain resources....if you don't like German military classics i'd suggest the 36 Strategems instead.

The_Black_Cat
07-05-2017, 11:03 AM
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/secretartofwartocloseeverysale-short1-151007163421-lva1-app6891/95/secret-art-of-war-to-close-every-sale-22-638.jpg

The_Black_Cat
07-05-2017, 11:07 AM
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/a7/97/a9a7974646f12d2684c78769b331c301.png

war is nothing more than a continuation of politics by (all) other means....

Bad_Intentions
07-05-2017, 03:26 PM
America knows all about Clausewitz man.. The Marine Corps had an intellectual awakening in the late 70s to early 90s and they wrote FMF-1 and then the updated version MCDP-1 titled Warfighting. We are experts in manoŠver warfare so don't worry bro.

The_Black_Cat
07-06-2017, 12:44 PM
yea but only recently the ancient asian classics got added to the fixed curriculum....works China has been studying for ages.

and western and eastern approach to war differs a lot.....

Bad_Intentions
07-06-2017, 05:19 PM
The Marines have always taken the Sun Tzu approach to war. It was during the awakening under General Krulak when they added Clausewitz and Hans von Seeckt to their warfighting philosophy

The Army has always taken the Prussian approach but some eastern now.
The Navy from Alfred Thayer Mahan
The Air Force from the Italians

We along with our allies will fuck up anyone V

It's the damn politicians who have fucked everything up and gang raped the shit out of our countries.

The_Black_Cat
07-07-2017, 11:41 PM
It's the damn politicians who have fucked everything up and gang raped the shit out of our countries.

something we agree heavily upon

The_Black_Cat
07-09-2017, 11:09 PM
http://thetruthsource.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/sco-vs-nato.jpg?w=616

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 11:49 AM
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20150401/e89a8f5fc4c2168583a601.jpg

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 11:56 AM
Other players:

Islamic Military Alliance....against terror!?

While Islam created more terror than anyone else.....

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 11:59 AM
http://www.holmesreport.com/images/default-source/04-article-images/Brand-Images/islamic_military_alliance.jpg

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 12:02 PM
Possible scenario this year or the next:

Merging SCO with The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO; Russian: Организация Договора о Коллективной Безопасности, Organizacija Dogovora o Kollektivnoj Bezopasnosti, ODKB)...

....while people in the west remain clueless.

07-11-2017, 01:44 PM
Oh lord.. Really.. Ok first off... This is nothing new.. NATO has become a lame duck to begin with and as far as the flame of freedom burning out.. Learn history.. The world thought this many times.. Didnt work in the 30s.. Didnt work in the 60s and isnt burning out now. The US has a historical record of uniting against a common enemy when we absolutely have to. As far as the numbers game.. Not even a glitch.. You can have all the numbers in the world you want.. Numbers dont win wars.. Heart does.. Learned this in greece, the romans proved it, and well.. Hitler had the numbers as well.. Didnt quite work out for him then either. Damn frozen troops... Bring coats next time... For those that count out the united states.. Here is a number for ya.. The US spends more money on training and operating the military might of the US than all of the SCO combined..

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 11:08 PM
that's short term...i'm speaking long term

you're being isolated, economically as well as geographically...

i'm agreeing with you for this moment....the next few years even maybe....but the US is underestimating this.

...entire NATO is.

The_Black_Cat
07-11-2017, 11:11 PM
Merging SCO with The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO; Russian: Организация Договора о Коллективной Безопасности, Organizacija Dogovora o Kollektivnoj Bezopasnosti, ODKB)...

the SCO has no military alliance atm but then it would....

The_Black_Cat
07-13-2017, 11:35 AM
As far as the numbers game.. Not even a glitch.. You can have all the numbers in the world you want.. Numbers dont win wars.. Heart does.. Learned this in greece, the romans proved it, and well.. Hitler had the numbers as well.. Didnt quite work out for him then either. Damn frozen troops... Bring coats next time... For those that count out the united states.. Here is a number for ya.. The US spends more money on training and operating the military might of the US than all of the SCO combined..

Remember the Romans? They felt similar right before the Germans sacked them with inferior technology but with the right numbers....

07-14-2017, 10:47 PM
I remember the romans very well.. I am one.. Born and raised.. AOSR graduate as well.. However what most forgot about that war.. The germans had more heart and more numbers.. Rome was already on the decline.. The generals quit and socialist agenda defined the roman legions.. This isnt the case now..

Eli_462
07-15-2017, 12:32 AM
you remember the romans? wow, i don't. You must be immortal or a vampire. wtf. Love how you fuckers think you know what people felt like 600 years ago. You remember what history books told you about the romans and the roman empire.

it is pretty craZy though to look at shitty italy now days and think these laZy fucks use to be Romans!

Eli_462
07-15-2017, 12:38 AM
do you guys remember Jesus? or you guys probably called him Yahshua. was he real or just bullshit? i have a feeling he was druggy trippin balls and he preached about what he experienced in his trips

Bad_Intentions
07-15-2017, 12:39 AM
We know what the romans felt like we have primary sources

The_Black_Cat
07-19-2017, 01:17 AM
The Romans (and later the Byzantines) fell prey to decadence and arrogance......

The_Black_Cat
07-23-2017, 11:52 AM
The economy of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) combines the economies of 57 member states. 49 are predominantly Muslim states. The other 8 have large Muslim minorities. Those 57 countries have a combined GDP (at Purchasing power parity; PPP) of USD 18,600 billion. The richest country on the basis of GDP per capita at PPP is United Arab Emirates. On basis of per capita GDP, Qatar is richest country with incomes exceeding US$108,000 per capita.

They could buy the US in terms of covering debt.....

The_Black_Cat
07-23-2017, 11:58 AM
Turkey, a member of NATO, was granted dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) at the group's 2012 summit in Beijing.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has stated that he has discussed the possibility of abandoning Turkey's European Union membership candidacy in return for full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
This was reinforced again, after a series of tension between Turkey and the European Union in 21 November 2016.

Two days later, on 23 November 2016, Turkey was granted the chairmanship of the energy club of SCO for the 2017 period.
That made Turkey the first country to chair a club in the organisation without full membership status.

The_Black_Cat
07-28-2017, 12:10 PM
During the 17th Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit held in Astana, Kazakhstan on June 9, 2017, Pakistan along with India became full members of SCO.

Created on June 15, 2001 in Shanghai, the main focus of the organization is countering three evils of terrorism, separatism and extremism. The members of the organization are sharing intelligence and military expertise for tackling drug trafficking and cross border crimes in globalized world. The presence of emerging China and resurgent Russia makes SCO very important organization in world politics. The expansion of SCO with the inclusion of Pakistan and India has expanded the outreach of this organization to South Asia. Full membership of SCO essentially make Pakistan part of security architecture of Central Asia. Inter-regional interaction at SCO platform will enhance the role of regional powers for creating productive ways for engagement for mutual benefit in economic and security realm.
In a globalized world and increasingly connected regions, the peaceful neighborhood is directly linked with economic rise of countries of the region. For a smooth inflow of raw materials to China and outflow of finished goods to the world, peace in its neighborhood is paramount for continued economic development of China.

The real dividends of economic development can only be reaped in peaceful environment. The SCO will provide both Pakistan and India regional cooperation platforms for economic development. The expectation from Pakistan and India by other SCO members is that both these countries will use the SCO as platform for cooperation and keep their rivalry out.

With its economic rise, China is demanding role in international politics reflective of current economic realities. Vladimir Putin has long been working for creation of multi-polar word where Russia again becomes major power of the world. The convergence of interest between Russia and China is reflected in beneficial partnership in which Russia is taking lead in engaging with countries through military industry while China is forging long term economic partnerships.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, while addressing the 53rd Munich Security Conference, on February 18, 2017 stated need for developing more equitable and democratic world order. While he rejected the allegations of those who accuse Russia and the new centers of global influence of attempting to undermine the so-called ‘liberal world order’, he identified the flaws of this systems which was designed as an instrument for ensuring the growth of an elite club of countries and its domination over everyone else.

Russia along with rising powers in Asia has long been trying for “building a democratic and fair world order, a post-West world order, in which each country develops its own sovereignty within the framework of international law, and will strive to balance their own national interests with those of their partners, with respect for each country’s cultural, historical and civilizational identity”. He essentially tried to deliver message to leaders from the West that power transition with the economic rise of China was inevitable in not so distant future. While China is economically developing, it’s establishing long term engagement with partner countries for mutual benefit on the basis of win-win strategy.

The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) by Chinese president Xi Jinping is strategic economic statesmanship for reordering international order through the power of economy. The Chinese vision of rising together holds great promise for developing countries facing the problems of capital shortage.

The connectivity through BRI will knit the developing countries in Asia, Africa with China being the pivotal state for driving the world economy in future. The rise of China will be the rise of East. China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has become the main corridor under BRI. Rapid completion of energy and communication projects under CPEC is promising for establishing Pakistan as state facilitating the regional trade and connectivity.

India despite Pakistan and China’s offer to become part of CPEC has stayed away from China led regional connectivity initiative on the grounds that CPEC violates India’s sovereign in Jammu and Kashmir. Indian stubbornness is irrational and against the United Nations Security Council resolution that accept state of Jammu and Kashmir as disputed territory between Pakistan and India. As CPEC does not change the status of state of Jammu and Kashmir, Indian opposition and subversive activities against the mega economic project is immensely destabilizing for economic rise of South Asia. Russia is supporting the BRI which essentially means endorsing CPEC for regional connectivity. After becoming member of SCO, there are expectations from India that it will stop irrational policy of opposition to CPEC and engage with China and Russia for regional connectivity through Pakistan.

The_Black_Cat
07-28-2017, 12:11 PM
With India and Pakistan as newly installed members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, or SCO, China is likely to face an increasing amount of divisiveness within a regional economic and security organization accustomed to extreme comity and cooperative discussions. India’s entry could especially frustrate Beijing because of rising geopolitical competition between the Asian giants and different approaches to counterterrorism.

Beijing may not have even wanted India to join the SCO. Russia first proposed India as a member, likely in part to complement bilateral economic and security engagement, but mainly to constrain China’s growing influence in the organization. Russia is increasingly concerned that post-Soviet SCO members — Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan — are drifting too far into China’s geostrategic orbit. For example, it is*well known*that Moscow has long delayed implementing Chinese initiatives that would enable Beijing to reap greater benefits from regional trade, including establishing an SCO regional trade agreement and bank. As China gains more clout in Central Asia, Moscow may welcome New Delhi by its side to occasionally strengthen Russia’s hand at slowing or opposing Chinese initiatives.*Indeed,*during a recent visit to Moscow, Modi said, “India and Russia have always been together on international issues.”

Going forward, this strategy is likely to pay big dividends. New Delhi has a major hang-up related to the activities of its archrival Pakistan — sponsored by Beijing at the 2015 SCO summit to balance Moscow’s support of India — and continues to be highly critical of China’s so-called “all-weather friendship” with Islamabad. In May, New Delhi refused to send a delegation to Beijing’s widely publicized Belt and Road Initiative summit, which was aimed at increasing trade and infrastructure connectivity between China and Eurasian countries. According to an*official Indian statement, the flagship project of the Belt and Road Initiative — the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor — was not being “pursued in a manner that respects sovereignty and territorial integrity.” Indian opposition stems from the plan to build the corridor through the disputed Kashmir region and to link it to the strategically positioned Pakistani port of Gwadar, prompting Prime Minister Narendra Modi*to raise the issue*again during his acceptance speech at the SCO summit last month. New Delhi likely will continue to criticize the corridor in the context of the SCO because, as a full member, India has the right to protest developments that do not serve the interests of*all*SCO members. The SCO also offers another public stage for India to constantly question the intent behind China’s exceptionally close ties to Pakistan.

India-Pakistan tensions also occasionally flare up, and Beijing may have to brace for either side to use the SCO as a platform to criticize the other. In the absence of a major incident, Beijing has admirably handled the delicacy of this situation. When asked in early June whether SCO membership would positively impact India-Pakistan relations, China*spokesperson Hua Chunying said: “I see the journalist from Pakistan sit[s] right here, while journalists from India sit over there. Maybe someday you can sit closer to each other.”*Additionally, the Chinese military’s unofficial mouthpiece, Global Times,*published an op-ed*suggesting that SCO membership for India and Pakistan would lead to positive bilateral developments. Even if that is overly optimistic, it would set the right tone as the organization forges ahead.

But the odds are against China’s desired outcome. Beijing needs to look no farther than South Asia for a cautionary tale. In this region, both India and Pakistan are members of the multilateral grouping known as the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation.*New Delhi, along with Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Bhutan, boycotted last year’s summit*in Islamabad because it believed Pakistan was behind a terrorist attack on an Indian army base. Even with an official ban on discussing bilateral issues in its proceedings, SAARC*has been perennially hobbled*by the intrusion of India-Pakistan grievances. Beijing can probably keep its close friend Islamabad in line at the SCO, but this likely*won’t be the case with New Delhi.

Another major issue for the SCO to contend with is the security of Afghanistan. An integral component of the organization is the Regional Anti-Terrorist Structure, aimed at *combating China’s “three evils” — terrorism, extremism, and separatism. India, however, is likely to reliably and reasonably highlight the contradiction between China’s stated anti-terrorism goals and the reality of its policy. Most notably, Beijing has consistently looked the other way as Pakistani intelligence services continue to support terrorist groups in Afghanistan, including the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani Network. Moreover, because India is particularly close to the Afghan government, it could seek to sponsor Afghanistan to move from observer status toward full SCO membership. This would give India even greater strength in the group and could bolster Russia’s position as well.

Lingering border disputes and fierce geostrategic competition in South Asia between China and India is likely to temper any cooperation Beijing might hope to achieve with New Delhi in the SCO. The*unfolding Doklam dispute — where Chinese and Indian troops are in a standoff — is just the latest example of tense relations at multiple points along their land border. Mutual suspicions in the maritime domain persist as well, with the Indian government*recently shoring up its position*in the strategically important Andaman and Nicobar island chain to counter the perceived Chinese “string of pearls” strategy — aimed at establishing access to naval ports throughout the Indian Ocean that could be militarily advantageous in a conflict. Such mutual suspicions will likely impact SCO discussions, perhaps in unpredictable ways.

Although India may be an unwelcome addition and irritant to Beijing at the SCO, China does not necessarily need the SCO to achieve its regional objectives. From its announcement in 2001, the SCO gave Beijing a productive way to engage neighbors still dominated by Moscow. But today, China’s economic and military strength makes it far more formidable on its own — a point that is only magnified as Russian influence simultaneously recedes. For instance, even though India rejected Beijing’s Belt and Road Initiative overture, China remains India’s top trading partner and a critical market for all Central and South Asian states, leaving them with few other appealing options.

India’s entry into the SCO, however, could put Beijing in the awkward position of highlighting the organization’s value, while increasingly working around or outside of it. Outright failure of the SCO would be unacceptable for China because of its central role in establishing the forum. Regardless of the bickering between countries that may break out, Beijing can be expected to make yet another show of the importance of the SCO, with all of the usual pomp and circumstance, at the next summit in June 2018. China as host makes this outcome even more likely.

Derek Grossman is a senior defense analyst at the nonprofit, nonpartisan RAND Corporation. He formerly served at the Defense Intelligence Agency as the daily intelligence briefer to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs at the Pentagon. Twitter: @derekjgrossman.

The_Black_Cat
07-29-2017, 01:10 PM
The India-China border dispute began in June when Beijing ordered to construct a road in its disputed area with Bhutan, the Doklam Plateau in Tibet. Bhutan is a small kingdom run under the influence of India – its major ally – but its borders do not have any contact with India, which sent its troops into Bhutan to prevent the road’s construction. New Delhi views the road construction as Beijing asserting sovereignty and further expanding its hegemony in the region.
In what has become the worst stand-off between Chinese and Indian troops on the borderline in decades, there is no end to the conflict in sight. India refuses to withdraw its troops from the territory, while China says there will be no negotiations until after India troops have left the territory.

India Stubborn in the India-China Border Row: Will History Repeat Itself?

Although the two nations have engaged in the India-China borderline rows for many decades – and even fought the Sino-Indian war in 1962, which ended in India’s humiliating defeat – it is surprising to many that New Delhi is willing to risk another war with the world’s largest military over a border dispute in Bhutan.

After all, China’s annual defense spending dwarfs India’s, $216 billion to $56 billion. One can argue that New Delhi is in no position to dictate its own rules, but the Indian side continues stubbornly standing its ground.

Fears of an India-China war keep mounting, as Beijing has made it crystal clear that it will not sit at one table with the Indians if their troops do not leave the disputed territory. After all, Indian soldiers were the first ones to enter the Doklam Plateau illegally, which ignited the heated border row between the two nations in the first place. While New Delhi insists it was trying to stop China from asserting sovereignty on the disputed area, Beijing further tightened its grip on the area by sending more troops and is adamant to not give up.
If China’s position in the South China Sea is any indication, Beijing always goes the extra mile to get what it wants when it comes to protecting its national interests. The Chinese government has even reportedly moved a number of military gear to the border to be better equipped for any solution of the India-China border row, including a military one.
However, if the Chinese do resort to force, history may repeat itself. But India has so much more to lose in 2017 than it did in 1962.

China vs. India War on the Horizon, as Beijing will Protect its Interests At ‘Any Cost’

Despite China clearly having an edge in pretty much all fields of the military, India is reportedly stepping up military preparations on the borderline. While the Chinese and Indian soldiers have not fired a single bullet yet, the border row could escalate quickly, as it did in 1962. Interestingly, a road construction was one of the triggers that led to the devastating Sino-Indian war more than five decades ago.
Although New Delhi and Beijing have been reportedly communicating with each other through various diplomatic channels, the two nations still continue building up forces along the border. Earlier this week, Chinese state-run newspaper Global Times insisted that China would safeguard its security interests at “any cost” as its sovereignty was “indomitable” in the India-China border row.

If India and China resort to weapons to resolve the border dispute in Bhutan, it is fair to say that a war between the world’s two most populous countries – with over 2.6 billion people combined – would be the most devastating and catastrophic in history. If the two arch rivals use nuclear weapons, the consequences would be deadly for the whole world, not just Asia.
China’s nuclear arsenal accounts for more than 270 nuclear warheads, while New Delhi owns about 130 nuclear missiles, according to recent estimations by the Arms Control Association.

Pakistan Joining China Would Be a Catastrophe for India

At this point, China seems adamant to take any measures to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity in the India-China border row, which is the worst stand-off between the two countries in decades. A potential military confrontation between the two key Asian powers could pose not only a major threat to the stability and safety of South Asia, but also spill over and become a global catastrophe.
India seems stubborn in its position to not withdraw troops from the Doklam Plateau, as such a decision would paint the nation as weak and unable to stand its ground. Being viewed as weak is the last thing New Delhi wants at the time when there is a risk of losing territory claims on the northwestern border with Pakistan.

Pakistan, which has engaged in separate territorial disputes with India, and China are long-time allies and their diplomatic, economic and military cooperation has soared over the past years. If China taking up weapons against India would be enough trouble for the Indians, Pakistan joining its long-time ally would be a catastrophe for New Delhi.

Muslims Could Bring the Fall of India

India, which could be on the verge of an internal crisis over the growing anger of Muslims in the Hinduism-majority country, is not willing to back off in the India-China border row. But if New Delhi does not withdraw its troops from the disputed area to lay out the groundwork for negotiations with China, the consequences could be tragic for the 1.324 billion-populated country.
Earlier this week, Indian Muslims woke up to the brutal realization that a Muslim genocide may be happening in India, where roughly 172 million people living in India identify themselves as adherents of Islam. A disturbing video showing about a dozen men barbarically lynching a Muslim man leaked on the Internet.

There is an ongoing debate about the identity of the victim. With Indian media and police claiming it was a gangster, who was killed by a rival gang, international journalists believe it was a Muslim bodybuilder, who was brutally killed in a gruesome religion-motivated assault.
Earlier this month, the Indian Express published a lengthy op-ed called “Inside the mind of the Indian Muslim,” where it said that the Indian Muslims are “cornered and demonized” and dealing with “a silent, undeclared psychological war that the State has unleashed on it.” The article detailed how Indian Muslims are living in constant fear in the nation, where lynching of Muslim people have reportedly been on the rise lately.

In addition to the volatile external crisis on the India-China border, New Delhi could also be dealing with an internal one. If those millions of Muslims living in India rise in revolt against the alleged Muslim genocide, it could become the fall of New Delhi.

The_Black_Cat
08-01-2017, 07:22 PM
So.....Russia kicked out all American diplomats.

They also invited India into the SCO...

...while India and China are in a military conflict concerning Bhutan.

North Korean missile now in reach of Japan...

Any bets?